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US Warns Russia Of 'Tragic Consequences' If Ukraine Is Invaded But That Makes Little Sense
Business Insider ^ | 4-30-2014 | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 04/29/2014 10:57:07 PM PDT by tcrlaf

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt held a press conference in Kiev on Tuesday, saying that Russian troop movements into Ukraine would constitute a serious escalation and, even further, the U.S. would respond immediately, UPI reports.

He continued, as the Kyiv Post reported, saying that "such a scenario would lead to tragic consequences."

At first glance, this sounds like tough talk. In essence, Pyatt seems to be telling Moscow, "if you invade, U.S. troops will stop you."

And certainly, with 600 U.S. troops already moved into Poland and the Baltic states, things could get ugly.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: agitprop; businessinsider; civilwar; military; obama; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; war
Sounds like blustering for local consumption from this Obama-appointed, career long State Department Apparatchik.

The coup government is losing/has lost control of events now. Several tweets today about even areas of Western Ukraine may break away from Kiev, as well.

The Pro-Nazi demonstrations in Kiev the last couple of days presents some REALLY bad imagery.

1 posted on 04/29/2014 10:57:07 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

The only thing worrying me is zer0 may want to kill more people to save his sorry butt. zer0 and his minions are opportunists and would kill their own mother and father if they thought their power would hold by doing the unthinkable. May I be wrong but with zer0 and his minions, in control, one can never predict their behavior (imho). If zer0 and his minions decide to throw another war over Ukraine may our Military decide not to go and may Congress do the right thing, for once, and arrest zer0 and his crowd. I know will never happen that Congress will arrest zer0 and his crowd, thus may our Military decide not to go.


2 posted on 04/29/2014 11:05:01 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

Another view of the same story:

US ‘to react’ if Russia crosses into Ukraine

US ambassador to Ukraine warns of “inevitable, sharp reaction” by the US if Russian troops cross border into Ukraine.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/04/us-react-if-russia-crosses-into-ukraine-2014429184141957331.html


3 posted on 04/29/2014 11:06:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

They’ll be able to see our line in the sand from space!


4 posted on 04/29/2014 11:06:18 PM PDT by ALASKA (Disgusted.....)
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To: tcrlaf

Pyatt is one of the two US officials who was recorded discussing who to install as leader post-coup.


5 posted on 04/29/2014 11:09:04 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: no-to-illegals

I think Obama is only thinking about how many terms FDR got from his world war.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 11:09:43 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

History tells me fdr didn’t start a war .... though many say otherwise. zer0 and his minions ... we have history on them also. We know zer0 loves siding with moslems. During WWII moslems sided with nazis.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 11:14:10 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Usagi_yo

“I think Obama is only thinking about how many terms FDR got from his world war.”

Obama is incompetently stumbling us toward World War.
There was ZERO benefit to American interests in Destabilizing Ukraine. That was done merely to sooth over Obama’s wounded ego after Syria.

Elections really do have consequences. The sheeple got EXACTLY what they voted for. Vaporware...

And I don’t think the sheeple will get it, until it is far too late.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 11:19:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Usagi_yo

“I think Obama is only thinking about how many terms FDR got from his world war.”

That wouldn’t surprise me. I suspect he’s been using FDR’s playbook to purposely prolong the depression.


9 posted on 04/29/2014 11:21:36 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: ALASKA
They’ll be able to see our line in the sand from space!

... considering that they are at the moment the only country on the planet with regular manned spaceflight capabilities.

10 posted on 04/29/2014 11:22:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: no-to-illegals

O’Bastard wants to see more white Christians kill each other.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 12:01:57 AM PDT by Finalmente
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To: tcrlaf

This is turning into a slow moving Egypt - can’t the EU, UN and USA get anything right foreign policy wise? This would be a bad satirical french comedy if it wasn’t for the fact that people are dying because of this.

Mel


12 posted on 04/30/2014 12:45:36 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: All

The writer of this article would get an F for content.

The implied threat to Russia is regarding economic sanctions that will cripple the Russian economy.

Russia, acting like a rogue Iraq, is miscalculating by annexing and possibly invading to secure the land bridge to their naval yards in Crimea.

LOL, a landbridge that would be quickly dispatched if the SHTF btw. Putin is inept or yearns for the good ole days of bread lines of his Soviet/KGB past.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 12:56:36 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf
You're the one cheering on the Nazi Putin; he's the pan-Russian ultra nationalist, religious chauvinist, president-for-life, and richest man in the world.
14 posted on 04/30/2014 1:50:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

I am WARNING you again Putin! IF you make more moves against Ukraine or the Baltic states....well......I.........I'll cut health care to my own troops, cut their pay, close their commissaries, take away their housing allowances, carve up their retirement, and that's just for starters! I'll furlough DoD engineers, doctors, nurses, and shipyard workers, - and then I'll terminate their jobs too! I'll send the KC-10 and A-10 to the boneyard, sink 2 aircraft carriers, and cut 150,000 uniformed troops. Whaddya think of THAT!?

15 posted on 04/30/2014 2:36:50 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: tcrlaf

Obama hasn’t got the balls to play a round of golf, and the Russians know it.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 2:52:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: tcrlaf

They will deliver a strongly worded letter. Strongly worded.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 2:52:28 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: tcrlaf
"The coup government is losing/has lost control of events now."

As you already know from our previous discussions, you are propagating lies when you say "coup government" in reference to the lawfully elected parliamentary government that existed before and after Yanukovych vacated his office. As NATO observed when it refuted such false Russian propaganda:

Russian claims that the Ukrainian authorities are illegitimate

The current Ukrainian president and government were approved by an overwhelming majority in the Ukrainian parliament (371 votes out of 417 registered) on 27 February 2014, including members of the Party of Regions.

That parliament was elected on 28 October 2012. The Russian Foreign Ministry at the time declared that the elections were held “peacefully, without any excesses and in line with generally-accepted standards” and “confirmed Ukraine’s commitment to democracy and the rule of law.” The statement can be read in Russian here.

The parliament which Russia called legitimate then can hardly be called illegitimate now.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_109141.htm

Quote: Комментарий Департамента информации и печати МИД России в связи с выборами в Верховную Раду Украины 2052-30-10-2012 28 октября на Украине состоялись выборы народных депутатов Верховной Рады седьмого созыва. Они прошли в спокойной обстановке без каких-либо эксцессов и соответствовали общепринятым стандартам. Предшествовавшая почти трехмесячная избирательная кампания, сопровождавшаяся острой борьбой между электоральными конкурентами, носила в целом честный и открытый характер. В процессе голосования не зафиксировано существенных нарушений, способных повлиять на его итоги. Это подтверждают многочисленные национальные и международные наблюдатели, включая и российских представителей. Хотя результаты выборов являются еще предварительными, их главный итог уже очевиден - Украина еще раз подтвердила свою приверженность нормам демократического, правового государства. В России с интересом следили за ходом выборов и искренне надеются, что по результатам состоявшегося волеизъявления развитие тесного взаимодействия между Украиной и Россией получит дополнительный импульс. 30 октября 2012 года OpenDocument

http://www.mid.ru/BDOMP/Brp_4.nsf/arh/7B278B84083B786444257AA7003B030C?

"Several tweets today about even areas of Western Ukraine may break away from Kiev, as well."

The Russian 14th Army in Transnistria has been busy infiltrating espionage agents, sabotage agents, and military Spetsnaz teams into the western Oblasts of the Ukraine to seize key objectives and incite the Russian minorities to rebel against the majority populace in the Ukraine, just as it did so in Moldova more than 20 years ago. So there is no reason to be surprised the Ukraine and its non-Russian are being victimized by state sponsored terrorism and terrorists under the direct command and control of Russia and Putin's Kremlin.

"The Pro-Nazi demonstrations in Kiev the last couple of days presents some REALLY bad imagery."

It says a lot when you selectively complain about the relatively very small number of marginalized NAZI sympathizers in the Ukraine, while you make excuse after excuse supporting the Fascist Russian crimes against the peace and crimes against humanity on a scale unmatched even by Adolf Hitler and the NAZIs of the Third Reich. Russia murdered far more people in the Ukraine than Germany and her Fascist Axis allies killed in the Second World War. Even now the Russians have begun the ethnic cleansing and persecution of non-Russians in the Crimea by forced emigraton and by closure of the Ukrainian language schools. Yet you spend your time in this forum decrying what the small number of Fascists are not accomplishing in the Ukraine and neglect or perhaps even defend the Fascist atrocities and killings being perpetrated by the Russian Fascists who have the most gruesome track record of murdering millions of Ukrainians in world history.

18 posted on 04/30/2014 2:56:36 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: tcrlaf

Stupid is as stupid does.
What next for globocop.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 3:06:21 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: tcrlaf

“The Pro-Nazi demonstrations in Kiev the last couple of days presents some REALLY bad imagery. “

Got links/pics?


20 posted on 04/30/2014 4:05:00 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: no-to-illegals
During WWII moslems sided with nazis.

Before and during WWII, a lot of people sided with the Nazis to get out from under Russian, French, Dutch or British rule. Many* of East Asia's post-war rulers sided with Imperial Japan during the war. They sided with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan for the same reason we sided with pitiless Russian mass murderers - the enemy of my enemy is at least my temporary ally.

* Nationalist China received large amounts of aid from Nazi Germany in its effort to crush the Chinese Communists. It had almost achieved its objective when Imperial Japan invaded, thereby saving Mao Zedong and his henchmen. Indonesia's Sukarno worked with Imperial Japan during the war and used the organizational skills and structures developed during the Japanese occupation to organize the revolt against Dutch rule in the post-war era that finally led to Indonesia's independence. Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew worked for Imperial Japan's propaganda department in what the Japanese renamed Syonan-to.

21 posted on 04/30/2014 4:32:46 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf

22 posted on 04/30/2014 4:36:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: icwhatudo

Some pictures on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3150000/posts


23 posted on 04/30/2014 4:42:12 AM PDT by dforest
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To: tcrlaf

The fact is, at this point, the US is basically irrelevant to the events in and around Ukraine.

We essentially forfeited any real influence there and across Eastern Europe when Obama decided not to provide missile defense to the region and conceded space flight to the Russians.

Putin was clearly only waiting for the Olympics to be over with to enact a plan that has probably been a decade in the making. And certainly Ukraine is only the first stop on Mr. KGB’s magical mystery tour—the “Back in the USSR” tour, if you will.

In eastern Europe, we’re out, the Sovs are back in.

It’s just my opinion, but I doubt Obama is the least bit bothered by any of it. In fact...


24 posted on 04/30/2014 4:47:32 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: tcrlaf

Three big groups of Russian troops - North, Centre and South - have been put on combat alert near the Ukrainian eastern borders and in Crimea.

Admiral Ihor Kabanenko, a former deputy head of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, wrote it on Facebook.


25 posted on 04/30/2014 4:49:08 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Zhang Fei
Before and during WWII, a lot of people sided with the nazis to get out from under russian rule

Remembering history I recall Germany, of that time, and Russia signing a non-aggression pact. Thus siding with the Nazis before WWII did not remove a lot of people from their rulers. Then hitler made an error and attacked Russia violating the non-aggression pact.

26 posted on 04/30/2014 4:49:32 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

zer0 is a useless coward.

that being said, we have our own tyrant regime here in America. we need to concentrate on that, and it is best that zer0 does not waste the truncated military we still have. zer0 has been successful converting the #1 superpower of the world to what is fast becoming a third world cowering rabbit of a nation.
hopefully we can rid America of this POS in 2+ years.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 4:59:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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29 posted on 04/30/2014 5:21:47 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf

Tragic consequences like US astronauts being stranded on the Space Station?


30 posted on 04/30/2014 5:25:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: tcrlaf

The “scenario” that has lead the US and the world to “such...tragic consequences” is Obama’s election and re-election to the Presidency of this once great nation!


31 posted on 04/30/2014 5:59:35 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

Obama can be blamed for many things.

Putin’s aggression is not one of them. He was going to illegally annex Crimea for its naval yards and connect a land bridge from Russia through E. Ukraine to those naval yards, regardless.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 7:11:44 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf

The feds will invade the Bundy ranch long before they invade the Ukraine.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:44 AM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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To: Gritty

The Russian Feds already invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is not NATO, so we will not stop them.

But the Russkies are going to be having a hard time economically if they persist.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 7:55:07 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: PaleoBob

Exactly. Whether or not you support Russia or the Ukraine, the bottom line is the US’s ability to influence events there is zip, zilch, nada.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 7:58:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rbmillerjr
Putin merely waited for the flexibility Obama promised him after Obama’s election.

This while one of the powers behind Obama, George Soros, poured money into the Ukraine to stir chaos and impossible expectations.

One of those impossible expectations was that Russia would walk away from Crimea - when Russia took it from the slave trading Ottoman Empire 250 years ago and has maintained its presence there since. This Russia did even after losing the Crimean War and even (through military treaty) after the collapse of the USSR and Ukrainian independence.

Yes, the megalomaniac bumbler occupying the White House IS to blame for the Ukraine also.

36 posted on 04/30/2014 9:17:56 AM PDT by drpix
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To: dfwgator

“the bottom line is the US’s ability to influence events there is zip, zilch, nada.”

Some of the Kremlin Borcsht Bridage say just the opposite lol.

The only reason the US can’t influence Ukraine is because it does not choose to.

On the other hand, if Russia persists, the Russian economy will pay a steep price.


37 posted on 04/30/2014 10:35:49 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: drpix

“One of those impossible expectations was that Russia would walk away from Crimea.”

Ukraine did nothing to prevent or stop the Russians from using the naval yards in Crimea. There was no geo-strategic reason to annex it.

They have merely won a temporary battle in annexing Crimea. Strategically, Russia is isolating itself as a rogue nation and strengthening NATO, pushing nations into stronger ties with NATO and putting them closer to the Western orbit.

Putin is no chess master, this is an epic disaster for Russia in the long term.


38 posted on 04/30/2014 10:43:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“this is an epic disaster for Russia in the long term.”

How so?
This is pushing Russia and China closer together, faster, while the west is in a visible decline.


39 posted on 04/30/2014 12:36:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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...this is an epic disaster for Russia in the long term....

“How so?”

Russia’s naked aggression, annexation and provocation, threatening invasion, is pushing former Warsaw Pact countries closer and closer to the West and NATO orbit.

“This is pushing Russia and China closer together”

They, despite some border differences have always been communist/totalitarian to the core and aligned. It’s no big deal. China really can’t strike out. Russia is limited to striking the weak nations that haven’t aligned with NATO.

“while the west is in a visible decline.”

There is a critical qualifier you left out. “Relative decline”. Both militarily and economically, the US and NATO are light years ahead of both Russia and China. China, due to its immense population is growing but has huge systemic deficiencies for the future.


40 posted on 04/30/2014 3:21:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

Just out this afternoon:

China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea
http://news.yahoo.com/china-conduct-naval-drills-russia-east-china-sea-182415119.html;_ylt=AwrBJR5_QGFTlk8AUU7QtDMD


41 posted on 04/30/2014 4:15:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Who cares?

The Russians are bottled up in Crimea and would be destroyed in detail.

the Chinese have old Russian excuses for Carriers with no nation willing to give them safe harbor once they leave their coast and get deep blue. Where exactly will the Chinese fleet go once it strikes out from their coast...LOL. To the bottom of the Pacific.


42 posted on 04/30/2014 5:11:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

A three front war with a worn out military? I don’t think so.


43 posted on 04/30/2014 7:42:01 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Which is exactly why you don’t appease the bustuds.

Peace through strength.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 8:28:40 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

Well the drag show on Okinawa certainly didn’t send a message of our strength. Most likely the Chinese generals are still laughing their heads off about that one.


45 posted on 04/30/2014 8:51:55 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Truly pathetic. But we allowed this lout to be elected.

Elections have consequences.


46 posted on 04/30/2014 9:26:14 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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