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US states may go back to electric chair and firing squads
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Posted on 05/01/2014 11:56:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

US states may go back to electric chair and firing squads

Shortage of drugs for lethal injections leads states to consider alternative methods of executing prisoners

By Raf Sanchez, Washington

6:42PM BST 01 May 2014

US states may revert to killing their death row inmates with electric chairs, firing squads and gas chambers as it becomes increasingly difficult to source chemicals for lethal injections.

The EU has banned the export of one of the most common sedatives used in lethal injections, forcing US states to experiment with new "cocktails" of drugs for executions.

One such experimental recipe was used in the botched execution of an Oklahoma prisoner on Tuesday, leaving him to writhe in pain and die of a massive heart attack 43 minutes after being injected.

The shortage of execution drugs, coupled with fears the courts may intervene to ban experimental methods of lethal injection, have prompted states to look at alternative ways to kill prisoners.

Tennessee's legislature has passed a bill that would reintroduce the electric chair if the state was unable to find drugs for lethal injections.

The state's Republican governor is still weighing whether to sign it into law.

Missouri is considering a proposal to reintroduce both firing squads and gas chambers if it becomes impossible to carry out a lethal injection.

Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Centre, said the laws were intended as symbols by conservative politicians of their commitment to the death penalty.

"It's about being even more blatant than the anti-death penalty side. To see this as a rational process is to miss the harshly divisive political atmosphere that produces these things," he said.

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1 posted on 05/01/2014 11:56:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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2 posted on 05/01/2014 11:58:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Sub-Driver
The EU has banned the export of one of the most common sedatives used in lethal injections,

Cheap substitute:


3 posted on 05/01/2014 11:58:19 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I like that. Good one...


4 posted on 05/01/2014 11:59:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Sub-Driver

They’ll never come up with the right solution because there’s no right way to do the wrong thing.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 11:59:52 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Sub-Driver

Question: Do veterinarians have any trouble getting drugs to euthanize sickly dying animals?

Question: Do drugs in question 1 have any trouble working on humans, albeit, with appropriate dosages?


6 posted on 05/01/2014 12:00:12 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Sub-Driver

I have a question: If people think Dr. Kevorkian kills people in a noble way, then they can’t say that’s unacceptable for the death penalty?


7 posted on 05/01/2014 12:00:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Sub-Driver

To see this as a rational process is to miss the harshly divisive political atmosphere that produces these things,”

Dear Dick...
Murder isn’t political.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 12:01:28 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Sub-Driver

IT’S ABOUT TIME! All of these touchy feely, feel good executions are starting to piss me off. A little suffering is good for the soul.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 12:01:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: PapaNew

Nonsense. Some people just need killing. Those that do don’t deserve to be coddled through it. A firing squad is still more humane that the way most of them brutalized their victims.

Yes, I *am* from Texas... why do you ask?


10 posted on 05/01/2014 12:01:57 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: Sub-Driver
One such experimental recipe was used in the botched execution of an Oklahoma prisoner on Tuesday, leaving him to writhe in pain and die of a massive heart attack 43 minutes after being injected.

That POS buried his Victim while She was STILL ALIVE!!!

He got off easy.

SO STFU brit press!

He would have taken a LOT longer to die if I was running the show...

11 posted on 05/01/2014 12:02:08 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

If it weren’t for the executioner’s job to implement, I’d like to see people executed the same way, over the same length of time they killed their victims.

I will also admit that I wouldn’t mind all that much if they made it 10x as violent and painful.

Let the little gang bangers give that a thought...


12 posted on 05/01/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Sub-Driver

I propose the H-SATS method of execution. What you do is strap the criminal in a chair in a sound proof room that has giant speakers in it and you play “Hillarys Sick and Tired Speech” until the criminal is dead. Yes I know I know, it may be cruel and unusual punishment, but the extreme torture only lasts a couple seconds until the extreme irritation knocks out the criminal and then stops his heart. Here is a sample if you are interested:

*WARNING* EXTREMELY HARMFUL SOUND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0


13 posted on 05/01/2014 12:02:50 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: nickcarraway

“I have a question: If people think Dr. Kevorkian kills people in a noble way, then they can’t say that’s unacceptable for the death penalty?”

It’s a good point but the opposition will say it is against the person’s will.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 12:03:03 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SpinnerWebb
Some people just need killing.

Motto of Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw.

15 posted on 05/01/2014 12:04:23 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Beowulf9

Which is true. I am just addressing the claims that it is not, “humane.”


16 posted on 05/01/2014 12:05:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Sub-Driver

why do we not just put a mask or sealed helmet on them and pump in nitrogen in small volumes until unconscious then increase volume until dead. Should take about 4-5 minutes tops.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 12:05:59 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sub-Driver

The firing squad is good. But what’s wrong with the rope?


18 posted on 05/01/2014 12:06:02 PM PDT by chesley
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To: Sub-Driver

Works for me.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 12:06:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sub-Driver
We could use many of these murders on death row for sniper training at Ft Bragg, NC. Kind of like the Goat Lab for medical personnel (Read: 18D)

It would be great training for the sniper at 600-1000 meters. Those card board targets are not very realistic donchano. Always remember...."Train like you fight!"

20 posted on 05/01/2014 12:06:31 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

21 posted on 05/01/2014 12:07:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

“If people think Dr. Kevorkian kills people in a noble way, then they can’t say that’s unacceptable for the death penalty?”

Sort of like the militant anti-smokers working on passing legalization of marijuana.


22 posted on 05/01/2014 12:07:44 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Sub-Driver
The Acme Corporation has plenty of alternatives for sale.


23 posted on 05/01/2014 12:08:22 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Sub-Driver

Capital punishment - yet another thing the Government constantly screws up.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 12:08:46 PM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: dfwgator
That one did not go according to plan, but the end result was success.
25 posted on 05/01/2014 12:09:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I can think of much more creative ways of capital execution for such monsters.

9ft tall, 3 ft in diameter plastic tube with spray nozzles straying a fine mist of salty lemon juice. On the bottom a giant “micro toner” that removes .1 millimeter layers running constantly. Tube is lubricated with a slick lubricant.

Let gravity do the work... may take a while...


26 posted on 05/01/2014 12:10:16 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: SpinnerWebb
My State is putting in an Express Lane
27 posted on 05/01/2014 12:10:37 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I would play through the death chamber loudspeakers those endless radio ad phone numbers:

“Call 1-800-228-3647....that’s 1-800-228-3647....again, 1-800-228-3647....1-800-228-3647....that’s 1-800-228-3647....”

On & on & on until they croak. May take hours.


28 posted on 05/01/2014 12:11:26 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: PapaNew

“Because there’s no right way to do the wrong thing.”
Everyone is entitled to their opinion,but never expect me and a lot of people here to agree with you.


29 posted on 05/01/2014 12:12:21 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Sub-Driver

I have, in the past, had to put down a couple of pets. I refused to pay someone to do it for me. CO2 and CO are easy, trivially easy, to manufacture. Kills painlessly.


30 posted on 05/01/2014 12:12:34 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, actually, looking at it from that standpoint, it’s a great point.

The idea being that people who are willing to accept euthanasia should be willing to realize that lifelong incarceration vs euthanasia is a viable argument. There have been some prisoners who prefer it, and are ‘eligible’.


31 posted on 05/01/2014 12:13:09 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think in a way it would have been better if it really was like that gif...just keep him boinging up and down in perpetuity.


32 posted on 05/01/2014 12:15:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chesley
The firing squad is good. But what’s wrong with the rope?

Either is okay with me. Be generous, give the condemned a choice. I don't see why we couldn't go a bit more sci-fi, though. An remotely-activated version of the Futurama "suicide booth" would work. Or one of those big lasers that we spend megabucks developing but never turn into a viable military weapon. Zot!

33 posted on 05/01/2014 12:15:53 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Farmer Dean
never expect me and a lot of people here to agree with you

I don't.

There's a strong argument that the death penalty is unjust and does more harm than good.

34 posted on 05/01/2014 12:16:17 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: dfwgator

That’s a whole lot of rope they have coiled up there.


35 posted on 05/01/2014 12:16:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Sub-Driver

Deny them food and water. We’re told it is “peaceful,” “beautiful,” and/or “free of pain.”

Love, Michael Schiavo’s lawyer


36 posted on 05/01/2014 12:16:42 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Many moons ago and in a far away land a death penalty was administered to criminals in the same manner they administered death to their victims.


37 posted on 05/01/2014 12:17:58 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: PapaNew

Hopefully you never have to endure the pain of having one of these pieces of human garbage kill someone close to you. But f you do, please don’t complain too much. Because one of the purposes of capital punishment is to act as a deterrent to others.

Since you do not wish to have others so deterred, you are contributing to the problem, not part of the solution.

You are entitled to your beliefs. And I am entitled to mine.


38 posted on 05/01/2014 12:18:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Death Penalty - 0% Recidivism rate.


39 posted on 05/01/2014 12:20:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Resolute Conservative
why do we not just put a mask or sealed helmet on them and pump in nitrogen in small volumes until unconscious then increase volume until dead. Should take about 4-5 minutes tops.

Heavy duty rubber bag over their head, whack them with a Louisville slugger a few times, takes about fifteen seconds. Much cheaper.

40 posted on 05/01/2014 12:22:21 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: PapaNew
There's a strong argument that the death penalty is unjust and does more harm than good.

Just not a good and convincing argument.

41 posted on 05/01/2014 12:22:49 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Paradox
I have, in the past, had to put down a couple of pets. I refused to pay someone to do it for me. CO2 and CO are easy, trivially easy, to manufacture. Kills painlessly.

Doesn't the buildup of CO2 cause the panic response?

42 posted on 05/01/2014 12:24:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: PapaNew

I guess one right way would be to return to the Biblical solution, stoning.


43 posted on 05/01/2014 12:24:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: LambSlave

I can go for that too.


44 posted on 05/01/2014 12:26:04 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm opposed to the death penalty. I don't think it's cruel and unusual punishment, but I don't trust that power in the hands of the government.

That all said, if it's going to be done. Firing squad or a bullet in the back of the head. Quick and easy.

45 posted on 05/01/2014 12:26:18 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: PapaNew

Do you live in the south/southwest?

“Some people just need killing” was/is a common phrase used by country people like my relatives when I was a kid-and the people referred to were those who had committed murder-just a variation of an eye for an eye-and my family members are not socialists-Fabian or otherwise.


46 posted on 05/01/2014 12:26:33 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Use Heroin. Junkies OD all the time.


47 posted on 05/01/2014 12:27:11 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Doomonyou

Just get a rope, dead is dead no matter how it gets there! The wait for the trap door has to be a tremendous burden in a black hood!


48 posted on 05/01/2014 12:33:29 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Norm Lenhart
Hopefully you never have to endure the pain of having one of these pieces of human garbage kill someone close to you.

Same for you my FRiend. But for the loved one's of the victim, vengeance will never take away the hurt. Only forgiveness will.

Because one of the purposes of capital punishment is to act as a deterrent to others.

Although that is a stated purpose, CP as a deterrent is not supported by incontrovertible evidence - ie. it's debatable.

contributing to the problem, not part of the solution

IMO, CP is more of a problem and does more damage than it is is a "solution."

You are entitled to your beliefs. And I am entitled to mine.

That's a good attitude.

49 posted on 05/01/2014 12:33:32 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Beowulf9

Against their will? So is life imprisonment. A death row inmate is not allowed to exercise their will much

It should not be that hard to find drugs that render people unconcious.


50 posted on 05/01/2014 12:33:45 PM PDT by plain talk
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