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Ukrainian pilot dragged from wreckage as ‘highly skilled foreign military men’ named ....
National Post [Canada] / AP ^ | May 2, 2014 | Peter Leonard

Posted on 05/03/2014 6:38:45 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

... “Our security forces are fighting mercenaries of foreign states, terrorists and criminals,” Turchynov said in a statement.

One of the downed helicopters was hit by a surface-to-air missile, the Ukrainian Security Service said, calling it a sophisticated weapon that undercut Russia’s claims the city was simply under the control of armed locals. The agency said its forces were fighting “highly skilled foreign military men” in Slovyansk....

Ukrainian troops met fierce resistance Friday morning but managed to take control of nine checkpoints on the roads around Slovyansk, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said. He called on the insurgents to lay down their arms and release their hostages.

“We are ready to negotiate with protesters and their representatives,” Avakov said. “But for terrorists and armed separatists, there is only punishment.”...

CBS correspondent Clarissa Ward told “CBS This Morning” that she and her crew were stopped by pro-Russia insurgents at a checkpoint just outside Slovyansk, then taken to a nearby town where they were blindfolded tightly with masking tape. They were released several hours later, unharmed except for one man who was beaten....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putinsbuttboys; putitler; russia; russianimperialism; russianinvasion; russianoccupation; ukraine
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Full title - "Ukrainian pilot dragged from wreckage as ‘highly skilled foreign military men’ named behind downing of two helicopters"

Anyone who really supports liberty has to take Ukraine's side in this battle against Russian thuggery!

1 posted on 05/03/2014 6:38:45 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
Foreign military men...those wouldn't be those damn Finns again,would it?
2 posted on 05/03/2014 6:43:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: canuck_conservative
Have anyone considered that some of the Pro-Russian forces may of been former Ukrainian military conscripts?


3 posted on 05/03/2014 6:47:29 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: canuck_conservative
Hm....Russian thuggery/Soviet resurgence or Soros puppeteering....so hard to choose...
4 posted on 05/03/2014 6:51:09 AM PDT by thescourged1
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To: canuck_conservative

quote “But for terrorists and armed separatists, there is only punishment”

um... they are going to punish themselves?

so confused.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 6:53:35 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Amish.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 6:59:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“so confused.”

Don’t be. The terrorists and separatists are Russians. The people fighting them are Ukrainians. The country is Ukraine. It’s not hard to not be confused.


7 posted on 05/03/2014 7:03:45 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: canuck_conservative

Anyone who really supports liberty has to take Ukraine’s side in this battle against Russian thuggery!

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After all, if Obama, Kerry, McCain, Van Rompuy and most of all, a God of War like this guy say it is true.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/729158

Then you know you are on the side of progress.


8 posted on 05/03/2014 7:09:55 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: canuck_conservative

9 posted on 05/03/2014 7:13:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: vladimir998

I watched the live stream yesterday. It was surreal. Pro-Russians protected by the police shooting. Bodies dropping in the street one after another. The unarmed Ukrainians patriots didn’t run.

Putin has a big and expensive fight on his hands if he rolls tanks against those folks.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 7:15:23 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

You left out this part:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/imf-warns-ukraine-fight-east-or-no-money


11 posted on 05/03/2014 7:18:17 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Obama = pussey !


12 posted on 05/03/2014 7:21:03 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Tilted Irish Kilt:" Obama = pussey !"

Or , .. leading from behind,.. or behinder !

13 posted on 05/03/2014 7:22:32 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: lodi90

Yeah, sometimes I think that Putin has not thought this all the way through as everyone assumes he has. The Ukrainians are not going to go quietly. They can’t beat the Russians in the field by they can make things incredibly costly for them on the street. Can you imagine MILLIONS of armed, trained, and seriously pissed off and bitter Ukrainians in a guerilla war?

I assume the Russians are thinking they will come in strong and scare everyone off and mop up a handful of holdouts. I don’t think they fully realize what they’re dealing with.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 7:24:49 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Putin’s Cheerleaders hardest hit.

Thanks canuck_conservative.


15 posted on 05/03/2014 7:32:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: vladimir998; tcrlaf; Mount Athos

Here’s clear video of the “peaceful” Pro-Russian language defenders firing on the Ukrainians with AKs yesterday.At this time they were being protected by the police.

How dare the Ukrainians bring a fire truck to a gun fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghaid0yXNjQ#t=32


16 posted on 05/03/2014 7:48:16 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Let’s be clear. These were Russian nationals brought in from outside the territory of Ukraine who were firing weapons on the Ukrainians.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 7:50:35 AM PDT by Agog
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To: vladimir998

still confused.

I thought the terrorist were those who rioted in Kiev a month or so ago and overthrew the democratically elected government by force.

now they seem to want to use force against protestors, when I thought the use of force against protestors was what they were so mad about a month ago.


18 posted on 05/03/2014 7:52:36 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: vladimir998

no... but I can imagine a few of the thugs which overthrew the democratically elected government laying dead in the street after the Russians tire of their tyranny.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 7:54:07 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Agog

lets be clear, there is a large ethnic Russian population in Ukraine, many of who have served in the military and who are now fighting to take back their country from the terrorists which overthrew the democratically elected government in Kiev a month or so ago.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 7:56:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: lodi90

Hey lodi90, please don’t randomly message me on free republic on threads I have not posted in.

Thank you.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 7:56:56 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
lets be clear, there is a large ethnic Russian population in Ukraine, many of who have served in the military and who are now fighting to take back their country from the terrorists which overthrew the democratically elected government in Kiev a month or so ago.

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Your mean like this unlawful combatant from KAZAN, RUSSIA?

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22 posted on 05/03/2014 8:00:49 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: TexasFreeper2009

First thing’s first, Yakunivich was NOT democratically elected, he took power in the same manner he did in 2004 before the Orange revolution.

Second thing, many of those who are rebelling against the current Ukrainian government are communists.


23 posted on 05/03/2014 8:01:49 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“I thought the terrorist were those who rioted in Kiev a month or so ago and overthrew the democratically elected government by force.”

No. Those were the Ukrainians who freed their country of a tyrannical government ruled by a Pro-Russian oligarchy linked thug president. The Ukrainian parliament ratified - unanimously - the actions of the Ukrainian protestors and impeached the thug president who fled, of course, to his masters in Russia.

“now they seem to want to use force against protestors, when I thought the use of force against protestors was what they were so mad about a month ago.”

There are no Russian “protestors”. They are armed and trained agents sponsored by the Russian government. They are armed with Ak-47s and AK-74s, rocket propelled grenades, and sometimes even armored personnel carriers, heavy machine guns and grenades. Some of the equipment is stolen Ukrainian equipment, but it has shown up too quickly and in too great quantities to be merely stolen equipment. Clearly Russia is supplying the Russian separatists.

The Ukrainians wanted to end a corrupt government which was pro-Russian. They did so. The Russians want to end the Ukraine.

If you can’t see the difference between those two things you have a greater problem than understanding the geo-political situation in Ukraine.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 8:08:04 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

What is going on now is state sponsored terrorism. Vova belongs in Slobos old cell in the Hague.


25 posted on 05/03/2014 8:11:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“no... but I can imagine a few of the thugs which overthrew the democratically elected government laying dead in the street after the Russians tire of their tyranny.”

What tyranny? The new Ukrainian government hasn’t done anything to anyone. All it is trying to do is hold together the Ukraine and it has every right to do it.


26 posted on 05/03/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: lodi90

I just can’t get over how many Freepers are stuck on stupid about this. They are buying the Russian propaganda hook, line and sinker.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 8:14:30 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: lodi90
That's for the link. The title, "Russian Terrorists Firing In The Football Ultras In Odessa" says it all.

Perhaps those thugs were the ones who eventually died in the fire.

28 posted on 05/03/2014 8:18:10 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

There are some reports they were chased back to the Trade Union building.

I feel bad for those kids in the video mixed up in this. Dim bulb dupes. The commies always find and use them. Sad.


29 posted on 05/03/2014 8:24:47 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Agog; Thunder90


source: https://twitter.com/mradamtaylor/status/462297662562127872/photo/1
30 posted on 05/03/2014 8:28:37 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: vladimir998
This is bad, wow. Armed Green Man Pro-Russian language defender shooting position covered by police yesterday.

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32 posted on 05/03/2014 8:32:53 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: caww

There’s plenty of photos and videos coming out about what happened yesterday. Nobody with a brain is buying your fairy tales.


33 posted on 05/03/2014 8:34:10 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKOZ2wrFL0&feature=youtu.be


34 posted on 05/03/2014 8:40:04 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: vladimir998
Have you noticed the recent lack of coverage of Ukraine in the MSM?

Their propaganda dumping on Russia has lost it's steam. Just like Syria being confronted by a bombing attack by Obama and McCain, Americans are beginning to condemn what Obama and the EU are up to.

Russia won on the Syria issue and imo will win on preventing Ukraine from being annexed by NATO.

35 posted on 05/03/2014 8:44:57 AM PDT by duckln
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....forces are fighting mercenaries of foreign states, terrorists and criminals.....

..During the 1970s and 1980s,..,immigrated to the U.S.... it is believed that under this guise the KGB also emptied their prisons of hard-core criminals, much like Cuban dictator Fidel Castro did. Many of these criminals are believed to have continued their life of crime in the United States...



Finally some of the russian/ukrainian Gangsters can go back and have something to fight for...or can build Churches.

36 posted on 05/03/2014 8:49:47 AM PDT by Koracan
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To: duckln

“Russia won on the Syria issue and imo will win on preventing Ukraine from being annexed by NATO.”

NATO has no power or ability to annex countries. Never had it. Never will. NATO is a voluntary military alliance. You would have come across as more credible if you said the EU was going to annex Ukraine. You would still be very wrong because no such ability exists for the EU, but at least your attempted satire would have made more sense.


37 posted on 05/03/2014 8:50:35 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Thank you for that excellent summary.


38 posted on 05/03/2014 8:53:18 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: duckln
Russia won on the Syria issue and imo will win on preventing Ukraine from being annexed by NATO.

Ukraine wasn't being annexed by NATO. To say that Russia is preventing Ukraine from being annexed by NATO is nonsense.

And Syria has nothing to do with Ukraine.

39 posted on 05/03/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Check out RT on what Ron Paul has to say.

http://rt.com/usa/156512-ron-paul-ukraine-war/


40 posted on 05/03/2014 9:03:23 AM PDT by duckln
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To: vladimir998
C'mon. How is doing nothing while people trapped in a burning building die acceptable behavior? It doesn't matter who started it or who was in there. Normal, moral people would've put all their efforts into saving those trapped people.

Letting them die, trapped, is no different from what Nazis did to Jews and other minorities during World War 2.

This extends far beyond who they were. It's about letting people who could've lived burn to death. How sick does it get??

41 posted on 05/03/2014 9:15:21 AM PDT by grania
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To: duckln
Check out RT on what Ron Paul has to say.

RT and Ron Paul. LOL.

Anyway when you have specific information that shows that Ukraine was being annexed by NATO, please give me a ping.

And I would add if there comes a time when Ukraine wants to be annexed by NATO, that certainly would be their right.

42 posted on 05/03/2014 9:15:22 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: vladimir998

Oh, I’d like to add that most freepers are pro-life. So how do you seriously not get why we’re outraged?


43 posted on 05/03/2014 9:18:21 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania
Oh, I’d like to add that most freepers are pro-life. So how do you seriously not get why we’re outraged?

It appears you're "rage" is selective. Look at the video in post #16. Do you feel rage about the pro Russians firing at the Pro Ukrainian demonstrators? What about the pro Russians in that video who weren't firing but were watching? What about the unarmed Ukrainian that was shot in the head by those thugs?

And there are plenty more examples that I could list.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 9:29:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I feel a sickness about the deaths of people on both sides. I feel outrage beyond disgust when nobody tries to save them.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 9:32:09 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Slavs should not be fighting each other. I hate what the extremists on both sides are doing...Most Russians and Ukrainians want to live in peace with each other.


46 posted on 05/03/2014 9:36:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: grania

“C’mon. How is doing nothing while people trapped in a burning building die acceptable behavior?”

The most obvious way to not die trapped in a building you’re not supposed to be in is to not be illegally occupying that building.

“It doesn’t matter who started it or who was in there.”

Sure it does.

“Normal, moral people would’ve put all their efforts into saving those trapped people.”

After being shot at and attacked by those same criminals now trapped in the building? How many “Normal, moral people” do you actually hang out with?

“Letting them die, trapped, is no different from what Nazis did to Jews and other minorities during World War 2.”

No, it is entirely different - and the people in that building chose to be there. The Jews did not choose to be in ghettos. These Russians chose to occupy the building. They chose to attack the Ukrainians trying to prevent the occupation. We would do far worse to people here. And if you doubt that for a single second, then you really are out of touch.

“This extends far beyond who they were. It’s about letting people who could’ve lived burn to death. How sick does it get??”

As sick as it can get - it’s a war. It’s a completely unnecessary, Russian started, Russian financed, Russian run, war. It never had to happened. The Russians could have just left Ukraine alone, but no.


47 posted on 05/03/2014 10:09:02 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: grania

“Oh, I’d like to add that most freepers are pro-life. So how do you seriously not get why we’re outraged?”

I’m pro-life too. I am also pro-freedom and realize who is trying to take it away from the Ukrainians. If illegal occupiers of buildings don’t want to die in building fires, they probably should not illegally attack Ukrainians in those buildings, then occupy them and then attack those trying to take them back. Harsh lesson learned. War sucks. Don’t start one and your chances of being hurt by one drop dramatically.


48 posted on 05/03/2014 10:11:47 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: grania

And by the way, when you’re relying on outlets like Russia Today and this piece of crap http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/henderson/ for your info about what is happening, you’re going to be poorly served.


49 posted on 05/03/2014 10:20:27 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: grania

To me, this battle is like watching Nazis vs. Commies. I don’t give a damn about either side.


50 posted on 05/03/2014 10:25:33 AM PDT by ohioman
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