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44th anniversary of Kent State shooting: victims and students remember May 4th, 1970 shooting
Newsnet5 Cleveland ^ | 05-04-2014 | Michael Baldwin

Posted on 05/04/2014 7:40:43 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

KENT, Ohio - A large crowd gathered just after 11 p.m. Saturday behind the Taylor Hall at Kent State University to honor the fallen. The crowd stood near the Victory Bell holding candles in remembrance of May 4th, 1970.

It was 44 years ago that four students were killed after 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds by the National Guard.

The students were pushed over to the parking lot of Prentice Hall as they were protesting the Vietnam War.

Students and volunteers are still standing in the parking lot area where the four students died. The students will stand there for 12 hours honoring the victims in the very spot where they were shot and killed.

Around 7 p.m. Saturday, a forum was held where survivors answered questions and spoke about the day they will never forget.

"To me, May 4th means life, but it also means death and murder," said Dean Kahler, who was shot and will never walk again.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsnet5.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 1970; 197005; 19700504; anniversary; college; kent; kentstate; kentstateuniversity; nationalguard; ohio; shooting; university
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To: PaulCruz2016

Well if the government said its was a justified execution them it must have been.

They know best. Just ask Obama.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 9:15:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: PaulCruz2016

I was doing business with a gentleman nearly twenty years now. He said his sister was involved with the radicals at Kent State and that when the lines were drawn between the students and National Guardsmen. That several of the radicals who were armed with handguns opened fire on the National Guard. Thus the soldiers were provoked into firing back.


42 posted on 05/04/2014 9:17:14 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
All of those where I worked considered this the elimination of bad rubbish.

Really. I remember it quite well. Sandra Scheuer was my cousin.

She was shot through the throat with an M-1 rifle from a distance of 130 yards (119 m) while walking between classes and died within five or six minutes from loss of blood. According to the account of Bruce Burkland, a close family friend, Scheuer "was walking with one of her speech and hearing therapy students across the green.

Some friends you hang around with.
43 posted on 05/04/2014 9:19:55 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd; 21twelve
People really have some wrong impressions of the youth of the time.
They also don't know that Vietnam was fought overwhelmingly by volunteers, unlike the draftee war, WWII.
They don't know that the under 30 year old vote, easily went republican in 1972.

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44 posted on 05/04/2014 9:20:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: fwdude
These “students” were not protesting the Vietnam war; they had firebombed the ROTC building, had doused trees in gasoline and caught them on fire, basically terrorized the town residence for weeks and, at the time of the shootings, were throwing bricks and other debris at guardsmen, chanting “kill! Kill! Kill!”

The guardsmen were justified in their very restrained response.


Really?
45 posted on 05/04/2014 9:24:11 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: yarddog

all public opinion polls from that time supported what the guardsman did that day. The left and the media thought for sure this would bring down Nixon in 1972...when the man tells you to stop rioting, you stop rioting.


46 posted on 05/04/2014 9:24:52 PM PDT by basalt
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To: pleasenotcalifornia
I was doing business with a gentleman nearly twenty years now. He said his sister was involved with the radicals at Kent State and that when the lines were drawn between the students and National Guardsmen. That several of the radicals who were armed with handguns opened fire on the National Guard. Thus the soldiers were provoked into firing back.

Bullshit.
47 posted on 05/04/2014 9:26:59 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: ansel12

re: “People really have some wrong impressions of the youth of the time.”

I said nothing about the young people of that era. I was 16 when the Kent State shootings occurred. I was in college 2 years later myself. There were idiot leftwingers there at the time, but most of us just wanted to go to school and live our lives. I was one of those who voted for Nixon in 72.

There were idiot young people at the time and there were brave, courageous young people at the time as well - just like now. I guess I’m not sure why you directed your post to me.


48 posted on 05/04/2014 9:30:52 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: ansel12

I was only 12 at the time. But I recall having Nixon Now bumper stickers on my book binders! But I seem to recall reading in one of Nixon’s memoirs how it was clear that America was in upheaval, and the war could not go on much longer, and that we needed to have “peace with honor” or whatever it was called.

As we withdrew, we handed over control to South Vietnam and they won a few more battles with our supplies (and air support?). But then after Watergate and Nixon’s resignation, and wanting all of it behind “us”, the democrats didn’t come through on our promised continued support. And it was only then that we loaded up what we could from the embassy roof and fled. Leaving our allies to bear the brunt.


49 posted on 05/04/2014 9:35:09 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

It was an accident, I took awhile writing that post and it had nothing to do with you, or anyone really, it was just random information and I forgot that it would go to an individual, who would naturally be puzzled by it, think it was some kind of a strange response to something that he had said.


50 posted on 05/04/2014 9:36:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PA Engineer
A great many factors went into the confrontation that day, not the least of which was that the NGs were mostly working stiffs sent to do an impossible job under extremely difficult circumstances.

They were taunted constantly and subjected to ridicule. One of the worst parts of it for them were the girls at Kent State who would bare their breasts and more in order to titillate and mock these young men who tended to think of the college students as spoiled little brats.

There was also a definite radical presence on the campus which did all it could to provoke strife. Whether, in fact, some SDS types actually fired on the soldiers first or not, I don't know; but I do know they were in no-win situation and it turned out very badly for everyone but the Left.

Btw, has anyone heard that pinhead Neil Young's new song, "Four Dead in Bengahzi"? He has recorded such a tune, right?

51 posted on 05/04/2014 9:36:45 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: 21twelve

That’s about it.


52 posted on 05/04/2014 9:37:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: lightman

I grew up there at the time, It was not that simple.

The kids we pelting the NG with rocks from the dorms.
When they ran out of rocks they filled dixie cups with redi crete and hucked that at them.

All evidence shows that the dead were hit with bullet trajectory’s that were aimed over the crowd.

It was mayhem and tragedy that the MSM whipped to a frenzy.


53 posted on 05/04/2014 9:38:26 PM PDT by mylife
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To: PaulCruz2016

Surprised they did not do it at Nixon hall.


54 posted on 05/04/2014 9:39:22 PM PDT by mylife
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To: ansel12

No problem. I understand.


55 posted on 05/04/2014 9:40:28 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: PA Engineer

LOL, you didn’t know my uncle......well, a friend of my uncle.....a guy in a bar, who told me that he knew someone who invented a carburetor that could get 200 mpg, General Motors killed him and the carburetor never came to market.


56 posted on 05/04/2014 9:43:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The guard shot over their heads but never went to Physics class.


57 posted on 05/04/2014 9:44:16 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Robwin
They were taunted constantly and subjected to ridicule. One of the worst parts of it for them were the girls at Kent State who would bare their breasts and more in order to titillate and mock these young men who tended to think of the college students as spoiled little brats.



She never "bared" her breasts to anyone. What is your point?
58 posted on 05/04/2014 9:48:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Cicero
Most of the truth of Kent State has been excised from history. I have documents from the school at the time, it was clear that the safety of the students was their main concern-- and they were not meaning safety from National Guardsmen. The school and government were more concerned about the non-student people who had moved into town, burned down the ROTC building, threw rocks and chopped the hoses of the firemen sent to put out it out. The attack on the guardsmen the next day had the desired result.

Bottom line is yes it was a set up, by community organizers, as a matter of fact.

59 posted on 05/04/2014 9:49:45 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

According to this article, the 14 year old runaway is a respiratory therapist now (2010 USA Today article).

“The girl in the famous Kent State photo was not a Kent State student but a 14-year-old runaway from Opa-locka, Fla., who hated the war.

After the shooting, Vecchio fled campus. Her father recognized her in the newspaper and contacted the police. The FBI found her in Indianapolis and sent her home.

She was infamous. Florida Gov. Claude Kirk, a Republican, criticized her for being at the rally, and asked, “Is she part of the plot?” The family got letters saying she was a communist and responsible for the deaths. Years later, her mother would ask, “Can you imagine a 14-year-old girl having to deal with that?”

Vecchio’s subsequent problems — she ran away again, was arrested for marijuana possession and loitering, wound up in a juvenile home —– were well chronicled. When Kent State’s May 4 Memorial was dedicated in 1990, she told the Orlando Sentinel that the shootings “really destroyed my life, and I don’t want to talk about it.” As for the memorial, she said, “Big deal. It has nothing to do with my life.”

Eventually, she made her peace with May 4. She came to feel that the incident had helped shorten the war and given Americans “a little more freedom.”

Today Vecchio is 54, divorced, and living with her mother and dog on a farm in Northern Florida she calls “my refuge.” She works at a hospital as a respiratory therapist.”


60 posted on 05/04/2014 9:49:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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