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Bring the Guillotine Back to Death Row
The Atlantic ^ | May 2, 2014 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 05/05/2014 7:14:23 PM PDT by grundle

A quick, painless, gruesome way to carry out capital punishment

If I were governor of a state that executed prisoners I'd declare a moratorium for my entire tenure. I wish that the United States would stop imposing the death penalty. I nevertheless find myself nodding along to Sonny Bunch's case for reintroducing the guillotine, a response to the botched execution of a death-row inmate in Oklahoma.

He argues that America has made its executions bloodless to protect the sensibilities of those who support the death penalty, with less humane killings as a result. (The electric chair. The gas chamber. Lethal injections. All have had horrific problems.)

Bunch writes:

"The guillotine really seems to solve everyone’s problems: It was designed to deliver an efficient, quick, and painless death. It performs that task admirably. I understand the irony of a reactionary such as myself embracing the Terror’s preferred method of execution, but one must give credit where it’s due."

"If we’re going to do something—and a large number of Americans and American states are pretty committed to performing executions—we ought to do it right. And “right” in this case means a quick and painless death. I can’t really imagine any reasonable objections to a widespread adoption of the guillotine."

I can imagine one objection: that the guillotine is barbaric.

But to me, that's a point in its favor. Let's have no illusions about what we're doing when the state carries out the killing of captive prisoners. I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling.

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To: Argus

I’m puzzled by this entire discussion.

It seems to me that large animals (horses, etc.) are calmly put down every day - without any problems as far as I’ve heard.

It seems to me that we’re creating a very complex process out of something that is rather commonplace & simple.

Am I missing something?


61 posted on 05/05/2014 8:54:13 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: grundle
He argues that America has made its executions bloodless to protect the sensibilities of those who support the death penalty,

He's delusional. My sensibilities wouldn't be offended by bloody executions. Bloody executions might actually cause those murderers to think twice before killing an innocent.

We've made our executions bloodless to protect the delicate sensibilities of the bleeding-heart liberals who care more about the rights of the violent thugs than the murdered innocents.

62 posted on 05/05/2014 9:22:44 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: grundle
I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling.

Well, you imagine wrong, chump.

63 posted on 05/05/2014 9:27:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

He’s delusional. My sensibilities wouldn’t be offended by bloody executions. Bloody executions might actually cause those murderers to think twice before killing an innocent.
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I always liked to think the reason we had ‘town squares’ was for summer band concerts and an occasional public hanging, beheading or stoning.

May be a good platform to run on. Even throw in the summer band concerts for good measure.


64 posted on 05/05/2014 9:34:36 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) --"On occasion, nothing said says a lot more than saying something".)
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To: grundle

NO-has this author or yourself actually read The Book of Revelations?

Don’t you think that a corrupt government could easily use this on Christians, Conservatives and others..??


65 posted on 05/05/2014 10:03:24 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar


More recent was the case of Saddam's half-brother and intelligence chief, Barzan Ibrahim, the five of clubs on the wanted card deck, who became two quarter-brothers as a result of a botched hanging.

Your old illustration isn't far off, as the photographic evidence shows (dare you to click).

66 posted on 05/05/2014 10:25:00 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: grundle

Use a laser instead of a blade and it will seer the edges so there is no mess to clean up!!!!


67 posted on 05/05/2014 10:28:00 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2harddrive

They all look like SKS’s to me.


68 posted on 05/05/2014 10:58:07 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: grundle

The author is no reactionary if he writes for The Atlantic and opposes death penalty


69 posted on 05/05/2014 11:13:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: GraceG

France including the various terror reigns executed 10,000s with the guillotine

If the blade is honed and properly weighted and the track kept clear and oiled

It is indeed effective 100%

Not a human neck tough enough to thwart it


70 posted on 05/05/2014 11:16:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Means of execution say more about those executing than the desire to inflict torture

Civilized folks prefer their executions humane


71 posted on 05/05/2014 11:20:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Hangings at that time mostly


72 posted on 05/05/2014 11:21:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: grundle

Televised guillitine executions would make a good point to the riff-raff.

How about pay per view


73 posted on 05/05/2014 11:23:04 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: grundle

Execution by guillotine is not instantaneous. There have been many observed instances where the head has still been conscious for several seconds afterwards. A shotgun to the back of the head straight through the brain stem and cerrubellum provide instant death, but would be extremely messy, and eventually turn the executioner into a complete head case.


74 posted on 05/06/2014 12:26:50 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Ghost of SVR4
It wasn't "botched", he is dead; it was successful.

That's an excellent point.

75 posted on 05/06/2014 1:21:21 AM PDT by grundle
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To: JSDude1

Yes, a corrupt government could use this on innocent people. But the argument here is not about whether or not to use the death penalty. The argument here is which method of execution to use.


76 posted on 05/06/2014 1:30:18 AM PDT by grundle
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To: wardaddy
Hangings at that time mostly

I understand George Washington grew hemp.

77 posted on 05/06/2014 7:01:09 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: wardaddy
Civilized folks prefer their executions humane

Death by Hellfire missile...or dynamite. What ever happened to "An eye for an eye"?

If we get anymore "civilized" we'll be a society solely made up of tree-huggers and child molesters..

78 posted on 05/06/2014 7:09:56 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No we won’t.

We still execute.

Torturing people to death in capital cases is not appropriate no matter the bloodlust or anger

Hanging....injection....firing squad and yes guillotine all appear humane

Gas chamber as well.

Electrocution as practiced seems problematic on occasion


79 posted on 05/06/2014 8:52:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Yes Washington grew hemp ....I missed the point

Pranksters even in my day claimed he drank a ganja tea too


80 posted on 05/06/2014 8:53:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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