Skip to comments.California Mileage Tax Would Charge Drivers Based on Distance Driven
Posted on 05/07/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by lowbridge
Sick of the gas tax?
What about a tax on every mile you drive?
A new bill going through Sacramento would tax drivers for every mile they are on the road.
The state gasoline tax of 52.9 cents per gallon could be replaced with a "miles driven fee" of $0.05 cents or so per mile driven, under state legislation proposed by a Bay Area lawmaker.
State transit officials note that there's not nearly enough money available to fix the many bridges and roads in California that are in desperate need of repair.
A federal highway fund, based on taxes on fuel, is expected to run dry this summer.
We've got to figure out how to pay for infrastructure, state Sen. Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) said. One philosophy is, if you use it, you should pay for it.
Under SB 1077, introduced by DeSaulnier, a still-to-be-determined California city would begin taxing motorists in January 2016. The longer your commute, the more you would pay.
That may yet be a tough sell, but a $0.05 per mile fee could raise over $100 billion for roads in some parts of the state, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune reported.
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People are gonna start turning their odometers back ...
As I get older, I wonder how people keep falling for this tactic. They will take away the tax and charge by the mile, and then, when they need more money, they will bring back the gas tax but keep the per mile fee.
>> there’s not nearly enough money available
There will never be enough money for corrupt states and municipalities.
Thought you could save money with a more fuel efficient vehicle? Gotcha!
Somebody has to pay for all those Mexicans.
They tried this in Germany a while back...trying to tax freight haulers transiting Germany...spent multimillion's of Euros on software and satellite hardware for tracking....all wasted.
I didn’t bother reading the article. Did someone really say they would only charge for mileage and not have the gas tax as well? I can’t imagine anyone admitting to stopping a tax, especially a democrat. How many hybrids in CA using less fuel per mile than normal vehicles? or total electric cars using no fuel? This idea is but one solution, I’ve heard others with more merit, like turning over most of the Federal gas tax to block grants to the States for maintenance. The Fed’s keeping enough to maintain the Interstate System.
If it’s 5 cents per mile, then you start getting screwed if you’re doing better than 52.9/5 = 10.5 MPG.
If I drive 24 miles in a 24 MPG car, that’s one gallon. That’s 52.9 cents of gas tax currently, or 24 x 5c = $1.20 in the proposed tax, for a car that is not very special at all.
Could this be right? A 40-MPG car, and there are plenty of them on the road, would pay $2.00 in tax for every gallon of gas instead of 52.9 cents?
The higher your MPG, the more you are screwed, it looks like. So much for trying to save a buck on gas and giving the environment a break.
Well, fourth sentence in and I failed the reading test.
So the liberals have finally figured out how to move all the peons out of the country side and into the Utopia of liberal controlled cities.
Those match at a mileage of 10.58 mpg. Since very few people have cars or trucks that are that bad, "replaced" actually means "hugely increased". My car gets about 25 mpg, so that would be the same as a gas tax of $1.25 per gallon, assuming that the gas tax is removed entirely. Being Kookifornia, I wouldn't bet on that.
Here is the problem. Cars are getting better mileage and thus paying less total tax. The tax at the pump is mostly used to repair roads.
As mileage continue to increase and as electric car use continues to expand, the situation gets worse.
The question is what do you propose as an alternative to the tax on miles driven?
At the federal level it is a bit different situation. However, there is movement towards the miles driven tax federally also.
At the federal level, complaints over the miles driven tax are justified because the new system undoes a very efficient tax system.
The federal excise tax is collected at the refinery and is about 98 percent efficient in tax collection. Meaning it does not take much administrative effort to collect.
The miles driven tax on the other hand costs about 25% of every tax dollar collected for administration. It is a complicated matter to track and tax all the cars vs collecting at the refinery.
So why would an efficient tax be traded for one that so inefficient. The answer is because no member of congress is willing to go on record raising the excise tax on gasoline.
The reason they are afraid to do that is because voters would get made at them. So along comes the complicated and wasteful method that does not require their vote.
Better for them, when they see you at rallies and meet-and-greets they can get your favor by saying they are against the federal miles driven tax and blame the Administration.
they spend it on mass transit and bike trails and eco projects
They can talk about this, but if they actually try and implement it, it will blow up in their faces.
Even the California LIV will wake up if you try to stick it to them directly. They don’t care as long as someone else is paying the bill, but stick it to them at your own peril.
Who said, You deserve the government you have, Alex?”
This is so BS. There is so much money in the road funds that they are working off of the interest being accrued. In fact I have heard repeatedly that CA pulls money out of the gas taxes to pay for many special interest projects that are suppose to be paid for out of the general funds.
with GPS they can track how many miles you drive and where you go etc
Roger that. It ain’t that far to Truckee for me to go get some tax free gas. Of course even tax free, Cali gas is probably still gonna be higher than in Reno.
Close the borders.
Deport the illegal half of the population.
Use the savings for infrastructure.
If the thieves in government didn’t steal the money meant for the roads to pay for their socialist spending schemes the situation wouldn’t be so bad. But here in California where the demonrats rule, rather than cut spending they just steal the money from other areas and throw it into the general fund and spend us into poverty.
I coulda had a V8!
I have a better idea. why doesn’t the government just take all your money and then just give back what they don’t use.
it will save on paperwork.
If it’s a true digital, it’s connected to a computer and ...
Yes there is that. But it is a small percentage compared to highway maintenance.
i stopped responding on this thread. i don’t want to give these government tyrants any ideas how use tech to tax or track us
We already pay per mileage driven,
It’s called GAS taxes on every gallon...
this is just a thinly disguised excuse - another one - to track our every move - to track how much we each drive. (And down the road, they’ll decide how MUCH we can drive, individually - like x-amount of miles allowed for work, groceries, etc - and then we’ll get our individual ration books - based on the ‘carbon footprint’ they deem we should be held to.
NOT being factitious.
Why is it the answer to just about any problem, for a liberal, is “we need more money and power.” ??? Why isn’t the answer, we should re-prioritize money we are spending elsewhere. The only time they want to do that is when they think they can take it from military spending.
“with GPS they can track how many miles you drive and where you go etc”
Yes, that’s the plan.
If you drive in another state, they don’t charge you for it, but they can report that mileage to that state, so you can be billed for that, too.
After a while, when the mileage tax doesn’t solve the revenue shortfall, they will gradually bring back the fuel taxes.
They can/will also have a highway tax at each annual registration. This one would be highest for electric vehicles.
Way to go, NBC writer. It is either $0.05 or it is simply five cents.
It ain’t about fixing roads and bridges. We know that.
1.40 to 1.60 per 30 miles.
Really, we need to get right down to brass tacks here ... How are ANY of these legislatures, in ANY state, and the Senate, and the House, REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE?
The law of unintended circumstances says that if this happens TMU (True Mileage Unknown) cars will be worth more than clean odometer cars lol
Is that the same logic that leads to having toll booths on roads that were built 50 years ago? lol
Yeah, put that meter in my 970 Opel GT. And I am just crazy enough to have a spare points distributor sitting around so I can drive after a nuke or EMP...or after a Democrat tax scheme.
Why not just charge them for every breathey take too? The tecnology is there.../s
How exactly do you do that with today's vehicles...I mean, just as a hypothetical....
That is actually preferable from an efficiency point of view
> I have a better idea. why doesnt the government just take all your money and then just give back what they dont use.
it will save on paperwork.
There’s never any left over. In fact they will always want more to loot and line their own pockets...
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I don’t know but you can bet someone will and they’ll sell the knowledge.
It’s just like the things they put in cars for DUIs, it doesn’t matter what new technology they come up with someone by-passes it.