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1 posted on 05/10/2014 7:09:22 AM PDT by nuconvert
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2 posted on 05/10/2014 7:10:53 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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I’d be interested in what Gary Aldrich might think.


3 posted on 05/10/2014 7:14:44 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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I hadn’t thought necessarily that he was working for a foreign power (not discounting it) but never believed he was a “whistleblower” since he had been in contact with the reporters before he was hired! It wasn’t like this guy was working for the NSA and became disillusioned by what he saw. He was on,y there about three months, if I am recalling correctly (need a primary source on that one). He sought employment for the sole purpose of exposing secrets. The security company that gave him clearance is guilty of gross negligence, or outright malfeasance.


4 posted on 05/10/2014 7:21:49 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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Links to WSJ but you have to be a subscriber to read further ...? pish


5 posted on 05/10/2014 7:26:21 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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Regardless of his motivation, or who he was working for, a lot of the NSA’s operations on all American citizens needed to be made known to the U.S. public.


11 posted on 05/10/2014 7:38:32 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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Two questions that were never answered:

1) Why did such a low level and relatively new employee have unfettered access to such a vast amount of highly classivied and sensitive information, and

2) Why wasn't the access of such a vast amount of data by a low level and relatively new employee ever detected and investigated?

I'll guarantee you that in almost every other business where a vast amount of sensitive information is available to employees, each database query and file transfer is logged, and excessive data transfer is flagged.

13 posted on 05/10/2014 7:42:18 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Life imitating art?

Snowden gives military secrets to Ivan.

Russian spy planes discovered off California coast.

“U2 plane at 60,000” feet causes LAX computers to crash, shuts down airport and all traffic on the west coast.

New “24” has hacker take over military drones and attack American soldiers in Afghanistan.

question:

Who crashed the LAX computer system, Gary Powers or Ivan?


18 posted on 05/10/2014 7:52:58 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (I'm leaning towards Ivan)
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I thought so almost from the beginning-- there's no way a contractor sysadmin had access to all the stuff Snowden got-- he (like Manning) had the help of outside hackers who used him to plant keystroke loggers, etc., onto NSA machines which were then used to hack other computers.

This also means that there is no way to tell whether the info Snowden claims he got from the NSA really came from the NSA or came from the FSB or was just made up.

One of the major points of the operation was to help split Germany from the US-- if Russia can boot the US out of Europe then they can dominate everything from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

19 posted on 05/10/2014 7:53:58 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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I’m not convinced he began as a foreign agent. All that nation-hopping at the beginning wouldn’t make sense. More likely he took the military information as insurance or leverage. It’s also possible that he just was grabbing whatever he could get his hands — en masse — before fleeing, and that’s what wound up in his data-stash.


20 posted on 05/10/2014 7:59:09 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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He got his position and access by cronyism. Most intelligences services are a bit incestuous. Once inside, no matter how incompetent you are you will still have a job. If you want to find out who is behind this you must first find out who hired him...what are their political connections.


22 posted on 05/10/2014 8:07:00 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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This is simply NSA supporters trying to smear Snowden.


23 posted on 05/10/2014 8:09:30 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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Do these “reporters” need to keep asking questions in their headlines? Or should they just go and do their damned jobs and answer them.

On a related note the Snowden incident shows just how out of control the NSA really is. Stealing confidential data willy nilly while letting the barn door wide open should be enough conviction to shut them down permanently. Who cares what Snowden “did” or “didn’t do”. What’s more important is that working for the NSA is a dream job...if you want everyone else to know what the NSA knows about everyone.


27 posted on 05/10/2014 8:19:35 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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Without the Snowden revelations where might we have been regarding personal freedoms here in the USA? Just asking.


28 posted on 05/10/2014 8:27:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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They do not need Snowden's to learn anything they want to know about America. All they needed recently was Franklin's. Historically they just needed Marxist's (Rosenberg) but Putin is jailing them now.

If you recall, Putin stated Snowden did not tell them anything they did not know.

34 posted on 05/10/2014 8:55:51 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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It’s funny how many people are split on Snowden—about half seem to consider him a hero, the other half a traitor.

I’m old school—you don’t divulge classified information, ever. If Snowden is ever given a pardon, it will open the flood gates to whole bunch of people who will emulate him. They will look at disclosing classified as a way to instantly become a “rock star”.


35 posted on 05/10/2014 8:58:47 AM PDT by rbg81
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Wrong conversation, as usual. I want to know what is being done to dismantle the domestic spying program. Has anyone been held accountable? Snowden and his role is irrelevant at this point, especially considering little to nothing has been done to tear this program down.


36 posted on 05/10/2014 9:07:30 AM PDT by drunknsage
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If Snowden was a professional he’s still be at NSA and his handlers would have the data and we would have never heard about it.


41 posted on 05/10/2014 9:21:33 AM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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Snowden was a communication specialist at the CIA station in Geneva in 2007 under diplomatic cover. He would have had the opportunity to come in contact with Russian embassy staff at diplomatic social events or on the streets.

Later he told an implausible story about CIA personnel getting a Swiss banker drunk, allowing him to be arrested by police, then rescuing him in exchange for confidential information. He said this alleged incident disillusioned him. According to Wikipedia: “Eric Schmitt of The New York Times stated that two senior American officials told him that, prior to the end of Snowden’s term, Snowden’s supervisor wrote a negative report that stated suspicions of Snowden attempting to obtain classified information not authorized to him.”

It's possible Snowden was recruited by Russian intelligence operatives in 2007 while in Switzerland and then directed to seek a position with an NSA contractor back in the states. Once Snowden obtained a large haul of NSA data at his NSA job he was directed to Hong Kong where he made his disclosure about NSA’s data collections programs.

Snowden’s announcement came a few days before Obama was scheduled to meet with Chinese leadership and complain about Chinese hacking of U.S. high-tech science. The entire Snowden drama in 2013 may have been orchestrated by Vla Putin to embarrass Obama. In fact Putin may now be in possession of NSA files that could deeply embarrass the White House (if that's possible) or even prove criminal wrongdoings. If Putin is blackmailing Obama it would explain the president's peculiar approach to foreign policy and Obama insistence on suppressing U.S. oil and gas domestic production.

48 posted on 05/10/2014 11:02:45 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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WSJ 7-4-13:

Edward Snowden’s Secret (Agent) Admirer: Spy Anna Chapman

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/07/04/russian-spy-anna-chapman-professes-love-for-leaker-edward-snowden/

49 posted on 05/10/2014 11:14:22 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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The establishment can try to smear it any way they want. Foreign governments would not want Snowden’s information public. The blackmail factor alone outweighs the public embarrassment of an incompetent government.
Let’s call him a whistle blower of the first order. I only hope he keeps dumping stuff. Bad on our country to think the government is more important than their citizen masters.


50 posted on 05/10/2014 11:24:30 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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