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Revealed: 74% of Obamacare 'Enrollees' Already Had Insurance
Breitbart ^ | 11 May 2014, 12:47 PM PDT | Wynton Hall

Posted on 05/11/2014 3:04:06 PM PDT by Hoodat

A devastating new McKinsey & Co. report finds that Obamacare's purported purpose – providing coverage for the previously uninsured – has failed.

The report concludes that 74% of Obamacare enrollees at the end of the first open enrollment period already had insurance; just 26% reported being previously uninsured. Of those who were previously uninsured, the figure drops to only 22% when considered alongside whether the individual has activated his plan by paying his first month's premium.

According to the Associated Press, at least 4.7 million Americans had their health insurance plans canceled due to Obamacare. Many of those individuals simply went through the Obamacare exchanges to buy policies to replace the ones President Barack Obama's healthcare program outlawed.

The McKinsey & Co. study also revealed that nearly half (48%) of individuals who said they do not plan to enroll in 2015 were "unaware of the penalty for lack of coverage." The so-called "individual mandate" imposes graduated penalties on individuals who choose not to purchase care. Even after respondents were informed of the penalty, only 29% of those currently uninsured said they plan to enroll in 2015.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alreadyinsured; fascism; fraud; insured; obama; obamacare; obamacareanecdote; obamacareanecdotes; obamacareenrollment; previouslyinsured
This entire thing has been a complete lie since Day One. Make sure the Democrats own it.
1 posted on 05/11/2014 3:04:06 PM PDT by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat

2 posted on 05/11/2014 3:07:00 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Hoodat

The VA is the prototype for Obamacare!


3 posted on 05/11/2014 3:07:37 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dr. Ursus

The VA is the prototype for Obamacare!

If that is the case then we are in good hands. Obviously that is not true. The VA in Baltimore is perfect. I haven’t had one single problem with them. As with everything, there are bad people and bad VA areas. Baltimore thankfully is not one of them.


5 posted on 05/11/2014 3:10:08 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Hoodat

Obamasnare. That’s what it is.


6 posted on 05/11/2014 3:11:43 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Liars lie. Is anyone with at least one functioning brain cell not sure that DIMocRATs are liars?


7 posted on 05/11/2014 3:13:05 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Hoodat
Even worse, we were told in writing, to “NOT check the box that indicated previous (current in 2013) health insurance”.

Since I wasn't about to jeopardize our application, as it was our only real chance for coverage in 2014, I did as they instructed and left the box unchecked.

Did I compromise my ethics? When dealing with government bureaucracies I have no ethics.

8 posted on 05/11/2014 3:13:50 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
There are a whole bunch of people with insurance, who did not have it before.

If you think of Medicaid as "insurance", then you might be right. However, Medicaid is not insurance.

And then there are all those young people who did not want insurance because they didn't need it, yet now are being forced to purchase it under threat of tax penalty. Sure, they have it now after not having it before. Yet they are now being forced (at the point of a gun) to buy something they do not want.

9 posted on 05/11/2014 3:14:30 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

Sorry I changed my mind on this post.

I asked the mods to delete it. Thanks anyway for your reply.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 3:15:39 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Hoodat

Yeah but the insurance that had before was cheaper and better. At least with ObamaCare, they get to chip in and buy health insurance for the freeloaders. Kind of like being forced into donating to charity.


11 posted on 05/11/2014 3:15:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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Yes Hillary...


12 posted on 05/11/2014 3:16:48 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I thought that was why Obama increased entitlement programs like food stamps, so we are forced to donate to charity through his use of taxpayer dollars. I think they even lowered the amount of charity donations one can deduct from their federal taxes every year. This makes Zero the hero according to the recipients.


13 posted on 05/11/2014 3:18:15 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I thought that was why Obama increased entitlement programs like food stamps, so we are forced to donate to charity through his use of taxpayer dollars. I think they even lowered the amount of charity donations one can deduct from their federal taxes every year. This makes Zero the hero according to the recipients.


14 posted on 05/11/2014 3:18:41 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No prob. I hope for your sake that it gets deleted promptly.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 3:18:47 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

Yep.

This is an issue I disagree with practically everyone on this site about (including importantly the owner).

I decided not to go there. :D

It’s been deleted. Best regards.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 3:21:05 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Hoodat

TOTAL FRAUD which has never been about healthcare.
Congress fiddles while America burns.


17 posted on 05/11/2014 3:22:04 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Hoodat
If you think of Medicaid as "insurance", then you might be right. However, Medicaid is not insurance.

It could have fooled me. I really can't tell the difference. Same clinics, physicians, hospitals, prescription formulary, health management company "i.e. insurance company". We are fortunate in this area to not have any problem finding providers or open appointments.

18 posted on 05/11/2014 3:25:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Hoodat

Now aren’t you glad Obama completely f*cked up the healthcare industry for this!


19 posted on 05/11/2014 3:33:20 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“... This is an issue I disagree with practically everyone on this site about ...”
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Am I to understand from that statement that you are “for” obamacare?


20 posted on 05/11/2014 3:39:06 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Hoodat

And on TV I just heard a new poll said that 62 percent of Americans want Obamacare (mainly those nearing retirement and the young) versus 32 percent against it.

I’d love to see the internals for that poll and the specific questions asked.


21 posted on 05/11/2014 3:42:20 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I am not so much for Obamacare. I would prefer something as a fall-back plan for everyone who is not otherwise covered, throughout our entire economy. A fall-back plan, however I would prefer we actually have jobs for everyone.

(but that is another discussion)

I have a job, and coverage from that job.

The job however, is one of thousands at a global corporation, which has at this point completely stopped hiring in America for several years, and which has laid off hundreds (perhaps more) of Americans already.

So I am not at all confident the job is secure long-term. So I would like a fall-back plan.

That is what I am referring to.

I am not so much for Obamacare itself, but I am for the idea of a fall-back plan for everyone.

However I don’t really want to discuss this further. It is an issue I have found myself in opposition with the site owner, and am now self-editing on this subject.

If that makes sense.

Like I said I am not in agreement with most at this site, so I had my post pulled.

Regards to you and to all.

Respectfully holding a different view on this subject.


22 posted on 05/11/2014 3:53:30 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Surprise!


23 posted on 05/11/2014 3:54:51 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: Hoodat

Today there was a large add in the newspaper today.

After months of post final negotiations, a large regional hospital and United Healthcare have parted ways. The hospital will not accept United Medicare Advantage insured as patients.

It’s time to drag democrats screaming and bleeding from their houses in the dead of night


24 posted on 05/11/2014 3:57:46 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“... I would prefer a fall-back plan ...
... I would prefer jobs for everyone ...”
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Well, hell’s bells, I would “like to have” a lot of things...

Please cite the language from the Constitution Article 1 Section 8
that authorizes the federal government to provide health care and jobs.


25 posted on 05/11/2014 4:01:02 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

That was my explanation.

Another thread perhaps. :D

Americans need jobs. We currently don’t have enough jobs, and have thus far borrowed 17.5 trillion dollars to support the ever growing number of Americans who do not have jobs.

Yet when I go in (any) store in America, most everything was imported from China.

Like I say. Some other thread, ok?

I believe we fundamentally disagree on whether our government has the authority to do anything about this mess.

But I’m also pretty sure this isn’t the thread for that discussion.

Best regards.


26 posted on 05/11/2014 4:06:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If the federal government would just get the hell out of the way, those things would fix themselves.


27 posted on 05/11/2014 4:08:36 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The federal government has decreed that no job is worth less than $7.25 per hour.

The true minimum wage is zero.


28 posted on 05/11/2014 4:22:44 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I agree.

However I also agree America is currently suffering from having outsourced an oversized portion of our economy, to a massive communist country.

America needs to bring back jobs. To America.

Stop sending jobs to communist China, where Americans cannot move, and do not make anything.

China now produces more than America produces.

(I think, just going on what I have seen posted)

America we are not inevitably on top.

We have competition. Competition which does not play by any of the rules we play by.

We need jobs.


29 posted on 05/11/2014 4:26:09 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
So I would like a fall-back plan.

By "fall-back plan", do you mean a plan that someone else (like me) pays for?

30 posted on 05/11/2014 4:44:13 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You and I probably agree on the problems, but maybe not so much on the the solutions.
The federal government can not be expected to solve the problems that they, themselves, created.


31 posted on 05/11/2014 4:49:48 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Dr. Ursus
Un true.

1. You are not forced to join the VA under threat of force by the IRS.

2. You don't have thousands of dollars of out of pocket expenses before your coverage kicks in.

Are you under VA care?

CC

32 posted on 05/11/2014 4:51:54 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Hoodat

Unsuspected by Ordinary People, Economic Ultra-Elites Command the Base Institutions that Regulate Our Fundamental Living Conditions.

They Are Far Above Conventional Distinctions of “Right” and “Left”—They Grant Ruling Privileges to the Group that can Demonstrate the Ability to Deliver What They Require.

If The “Conservatives” Had A More Coherent, Political Gangster Force–As They Did in 2000–The Ruling Elite Would Have Supported “Conservatism”.

The function of a quasi-governmental cartel/monopoly is not to benefit consumers. It is to enforce economy of scale, raise prices and discourage competition to benefit elites.

In the current civil crisis over Obamacare, at least 3 contradictory sets of facts can help us to clear the smoke away from the mirrors, to triangulate to the truth and see what’s really going on.

1) Hillary was the most popular, but Obama became president.

2) Biomedical Technology is one of the last healthy export manufacturing sectors of the economy, but it will be taxed to death.

3) We were told that Obamacare would stick it to Big Insurance and Pharma, but now it’s admitted that they have the the best seats at the table.

How do we cut through the fog of media propaganda and arrive at a reasonable semblance of the truth? We can look at a similar example from another time we know more about, where the bodies are buried and who put them there.

In the 1930s, someone heard Adolph Hitler being screamed at behind closed doors by the head of the German Central Bank [Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht]. Who could get away with screaming at Hitler and live?

Someone fronting from a group so powerful, it could have ordered that Hitler be made into Hoffaburger. It turns out that when Hitler first assumed power, he went with hat in hand to make his case to the heads of German industry that his gangster militias could deliver labor peace.

(Not that the Big Boys were exactly helpless – their corporate army was called Der Totenkopf, the “Death’s Head” – the SS. Their corporate heirs are the people who put out RU-486 chemical abortion. [IG Farben > Hoechst > Roussel Uclaf])

A roughly similar set of events may have been behind Obamacare. Fast forward to the 2007-2008 American Presidential race. Hillary Clinton was winning, then without any plausible explanation, Barack Obama was suddenly ahead. It happened in a way that made Hillary supporters cry foul.

Behind the scenes, it may have happened that Hill and Barry attended a command performance in front of the Big Boys who run things. It was found that Hillary carried too much political baggage, she tried but failed in 1993 to deliver Hillarycare, so, suddenly, Barack Obama is the man in command, with the most agile political gangster force and an effective, ready-made, prince-charming cover story.

Our politicians cry about insuring everyone and keeping jobs at home. But the most obvious solution, open insurance markets among the 50 states, won’t be allowed. And Biomedical Devices, one of the most healthy sectors of the export economy, will get a stake through the heart.

What’s the group that’s so powerful that they can ruin the country to unanimous hosannas from the media? The same one that was able singlehandedly to defeat both the Trial Lawyers and the Doctors with one hand tied behind its back: Big Insurance.

It’s now openly acknowledged that the group in charge of what became Obamacare, from the bitter beginning was lead by Big Insurance and Pharma, both touted in “the free press” as bad boys who would receive their just punishment, in the circus leading up to the vote on the bill that couldn’t be read – “read it after you pass it”, 6 times longer than the Bible.

Big Insurance and Pharma have the seats of honor at this robbers’ banquet. Harry Reid is in charge of the waiters, Nancy Pelosi runs the kitchen – and Barack Obama supplies the bouncers.

It remains to be seen, however, whether or not Big Insurance can pay the bill, now that it’s due.

A century ago, politicians and newspapers claimed that the establishment of the Federal Reserve would protect the little man, stabilize the economy and banking, and shield us from depressions and crashes. We now know that was just bait & switch, the Federal Reserve was never intended to do any such thing. The newspapers of that time led people around by the nose, feeding them anything their ultra-elite owners wanted.

Of course, we’re so much better informed now, there’s no way such a charade could be pulled off today!


33 posted on 05/11/2014 4:54:45 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Captain Compassion

No,the the wait time will be used in Obamacare as in the V.A.


34 posted on 05/11/2014 5:02:58 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

One of the strangest things to try to explain...
If you ran a little quickie mart
and I was willing to hang around there and sweep the floors,
pick up the trash in the parking area, and such for $5/hour,
it would be against federal law for you and I to come to that agreement.


35 posted on 05/11/2014 5:32:17 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bert

If you would, tell us which regional hospital will no longer take United Advantage. Some of us may need to know. By the way, add is spelled with one d. Sorry, could not resist.


36 posted on 05/11/2014 5:48:53 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Dear Ms. or Mr. Cringing,
As I have mentioned before we cannot take back American jobs they have to be earned back. Aint going to happen.
Because you fear the loss of your job and your healthcare that apparently came with the job is no reason we all should have to pony up our hardearned cash so you will feel better.
I must tell you one thing, there is nothing secure in life, all of man’s creations are in one way or another subject to change. Change is the only constant in life. This is kind of basic knowledge that one learns fairly early in life.
I am sorry you are fearful about the future but it is not our duty or even in our power to take this fear from you. That power resides within you and comes from God.
In other words, wake up and smell the coffee.


37 posted on 05/11/2014 6:07:40 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: steve86

My brother lost his primary care physician and after over 50 attempts can not get one worth a damn. His doctor of ten years retired rather deal with Obamacare and he is stuck in a network that requires him to have an mri that is less then 5 years old in order to gain admission to an outside pain clinic, if he stays in network the network makes a few bucks. He tried the network pain clinic and got no help even though he has 2 inches of doctors reports stating that he is in constant chronic pain. These come from John Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic among others. His doctor who finally agreed to take him on will not order an mri. So he got his records and left him. He is not a druggie just in chronic pain. I know, I have known him for over 50 years.
A friend in another state arranged a visit to a pain clinic for him. His medicaid, though called something else will not pay a dime because it is out of network. He is totally disabled and spent his last cash for his pain meds. My family is now the last hope for him, roughly 700 bucks each month for his meds must come from us. Before Obamacare this problem did not exist.
Rest assured we will help him both financially for his drugs and with any legal costs he may incur. If Medicaid is working in your area you are fortunate, but that will change as it was designed to.


38 posted on 05/11/2014 6:39:20 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Dr. Ursus

At the VA there are doctors. Some of the folks under Obamacare may never get to see a doctor.

CC


39 posted on 05/11/2014 7:14:14 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
Very sorry to hear about your brother's situation. It is terrible and I would wish that on no one. It can be difficult to get maintenance pain medication in this state also although most patients do find legitimate sources eventually.

I do have a suspicion that there is something else going on here or I am hearing only part of the story. 50 bad doctors in a row? That is strange. I am 59 and really have never encountered a bad physician/PAC/ARNP. Some had personalities I didn't care for but all seemed basically competent and did their jobs. Your brother does seem to be getting the scripts from somewhere since you are paying $700/month to fill them; where are they coming from if he has left or been rejected from all practices? Most opiate prescriptions are not refillable.

If Medicaid is working in your area you are fortunate, but that will change as it was designed to.

What does that mean?

40 posted on 05/11/2014 9:15:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Dr. Ursus

What wait time? You say that you don’t use the VA, so how would you even know? Are you even eligible for VA coverage?


41 posted on 05/11/2014 9:27:09 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Dr. Ursus
The VA is the prototype for Obamacare!

How so? 0bamacare has no mandate and no premiums? Really?
42 posted on 05/11/2014 9:33:06 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Welmont


43 posted on 05/12/2014 4:01:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

Thanks.


44 posted on 05/12/2014 8:05:14 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: steve86

He either stopped by or called and was told by 50 docs, he said, that they said they were no longer accepting new patients after being asked about his coverage, which is Wellcare another name for Medicaid.
I have never had a problem either, getting a doc but I have Medicare now and before that private insurance.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 8:55:31 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Brown Deer
"How so? 0bamacare has no mandate and no premiums? Really?"

Probably Ursus is referring to the generally bad care at VA. For 25 years my job required me to frequently visit at most of the hospitals in Northern Illinois. The VA hospitals always appeared to be substandard with generally unhelpful and often surly staff.

I was never VA patient, though my Iraqi veteran son was, and left VA treatment and paid out-of-pocket (many thousands of dollars) instead for knee surgery.

46 posted on 05/12/2014 10:51:12 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: cookcounty
Probably Ursus is referring to the generally bad care at VA.

Total NONSENSE! I've never once experienced a substandard VA hospital and have always been treated with respect by very helpful staff members.

If you believe that he is comparing the care at a VA, with the care from 0bamacare, then you must be very confused. 0bamacare is a health insurance plan, not a health provider, so there is nothing to compare!
47 posted on 05/12/2014 11:53:05 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I’ll writw a few more words since you have an interest.

I have been an insured of Secure Horizons/United Health care Medicare advantage for 5 years or so. Twice before it was at the last minute that my primary care medical group (Holston Medical Group) and United agreed on a contract.Last year, well before the final medicare enrollment date HMG advised the names of acceptable Medicare Advantage providers.My United plan was not on the list. I don’t think they accept new medicare patients.

I fumed and fussed but was told that “the Board” had determined they could just not accept the United terms. I had to go shopping and selected Humana medicare advantage. It is a little more expensive than my old plan but is ok.

Then there is my wife. She has a different medical group at the University. Her plan with United was acceptable to her medical group.

Back in the summer there was a big todo between Welmont Hospitals and United. There was a barrage of full page newspaper ads by both sides. It was settled.

Now, 6 or 7 months after that battle and the end of the enrollment period, there is an ad by Welmont stating they don’t accept United Medicare advantage patients effective June 1. So it is a mess.

Welmont has hospitals in East Tennessee and south west Virginia.

I find little difference between the service of Humana and United. Humana might have a slight edge because the monthly statements of payments and drug use are a little more clear.

W are both 72 and in pretty good health. Thank the Lord.

Both have excellent web portals where all your stuff can be viewed.

BTW, you mentioned medicare and not medicare advantage. If you have not done so, I would suggest looking into it. Around here it is fairly inexpensive and they do all the work. Having gone through medicare bills and payments and bother just keeping up, medicare advantage is a snap. Providers deal directly with the insuror and they pay what ever medicare requires. I get a statement saying what has been paid.

The insurer also develops a feel for your problems and then begins to provide solutions and wellness info to improve the specific problem, ie diabetes or heart problems etc. It works!


48 posted on 05/12/2014 1:11:19 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

I had Medicare Advantage in the past, my ex has it now and is being hit with bills now that in the past she did not have to pay. In my situation I have decided to forget the docs and thru the use of vitamins and supplements treat myself. I have one drug that I need and see the doctor once every 3 months. It is not financially sensible for me to purchase Advantage or drug coverage. I am healthier then ever thru my own efforts, the drugs I was being given were making me sicker. I dropped 6 out of 7 and feel better then I have in years.
I figure that now the docs are basically government employees and want as little as possible to do with them.
I spend less then one hundred per month for my one drug and the vitamins and supplements. I also watch my diet and am losing weight, bad back, fat front makes it worse.
I am glad that Advantage works well for you but you must remember that Obama stole a ton of money from Advantage to fund Obamacare, it is changing as we speak, and not for the good.
As long as I don’t get sick I will be ok, if I do I will sign up, they can’t turn me down now for preexisting conditions, so we’ll see how it works out.


49 posted on 05/12/2014 10:30:07 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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