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Kenya’s polygamy law gets thumbs up from U.S.
Frost Illustrated ^ | May 10, 2014

Posted on 05/15/2014 1:53:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A U.S. State Dept. official has found something to like in Kenya’s new legislation legalizing multiple marriages.

“The legislation is quite complex and appears to include elements that represent steps forward toward greater equality for women,” a State Department official said in an interview with Kenya’s Daily Nation.

“But the job is clearly a work in progress,” the official said, adding that the legislation includes some provisions that codify existing traditional practices that disempower some women.

Kenya’s Federation of Women Lawyers supports some aspects of the law but criticizes others.

“We are happy with the law because finally all marriages are being treated equally,” Kenyan federation director Christine Ochieng said in a press interview.

The initiative is long overdue because polygamous unions were previously not regarded as equal to regular marriages, the federation said.

Several female MPs had stormed out of Parliament in March when the legislation was introduced. They were reacting to removing a provision enabling a man’s first wife to veto her husband’s choice of additional spouses.

Elsewhere in Kenya, recent bombings and terror attacks sparked a social media outburst, revealing growing frustration with local area corruption, misplaced priorities and the presence of Kenyan Defense Force troops in Somalia.

“This is what I think,” wrote Martha Akelo Opondo on the Daily Nation website. It’s like somebody has invaded your house and is attacking innocent people… There are people who feel the world is too small to share, to live and let live, just to wake up each day and marvel at God’s wonders and allow others to revel in His Goodness.

“If you ask me enough is enough. Its high time our leaders stopped issuing threats and statements. Its time to strategize. The truth is we are at war. When two cities are bombed two days consecutively (Wang’ teko), it is time to think and think hard. .. It is time to save ourselves.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kenya; obama; polygamy

1 posted on 05/15/2014 1:53:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s take a look and see how Kenya feels about gay marriage....

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/07/01/kenyan-leaders-slam-president-obamas-gay-rights-comments

Oh dear. Looks like it’s illegal to even be homosexual. Wonder how the state dept. feels about that.


2 posted on 05/15/2014 2:18:50 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the State Department even hints that it’s acceptable and that such a ‘family’ could arrive and be settled into the US....then it opens up the front door for an American guy to fly into Kenya and marry three women, then fly back and the US would have to honor and respect the American guy in the same fashion.

Seems to me...it’s opening up a door with numerous issues to come. But....since most guys would like to have two or three wives....maybe it’s perfectly legit.


3 posted on 05/15/2014 3:02:07 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

a provision enabling a man’s first wife to veto her husband’s choice of additional spouses.
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In the US the Mormons have this provision too...

However I don’t think the first wife ever got to use it...

Emma Hale didn’t...

Her husband Joseph Smith took any woman he wanted and doesn’t seem to have ever checked with her...


4 posted on 05/15/2014 3:33:49 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: pepsionice

It’s already a fact in Canada. Multiple wives.
Multiple welfare checks from the government.


5 posted on 05/15/2014 4:11:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: pepsionice

Considering that the federals forced Utah’s Mormons to renounce polygamy as a precondition for statehood, this is ironic.


6 posted on 05/15/2014 4:12:54 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: pepsionice

I thought it was already here.
My Five Wives, Sister Wives...two tv shows that promote it.


7 posted on 05/15/2014 4:22:21 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: pepsionice

“....since most guys would like to have two or three wives....”
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Wives or sex partners? I don’t know too many men who are foolish enough to want multiple wives in the USA. In fact the percentage who are interested in marrying at all has taken a precipitous drop since I was young and the age at which those who choose to marry actually do so has risen by several years. When I was 23 and still single I was looked on in my community as a “confirmed bachelor” already. Now any young person who wants to marry that young is considered strange.

Personally I think any man who really WANTS to marry more than one woman in this country is as crazy as Pelosi. Consider the wisdom of this old Oak Ridge classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_rr9m9jaE


8 posted on 05/15/2014 5:05:18 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Typical of “American” approval these days. Right down the s__t can.


9 posted on 05/15/2014 5:43:59 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: NTHockey; greyfoxx39; Elsie

Considering that the federals forced Utah’s Mormons to renounce polygamy as a precondition for statehood, this is ironic.
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What do you mean by “renounce” ???

and the Utah territory covered Utah, Idaho, Nevada, part of California etc...

East of the Utah territory was considered by the Mormons to be a foreign country...

They were a law unto themselves...a theocratic dictatorship..

The last polygamist prophet/president of the Mormons country of Deseret didn’t die until 1945..

the “prophets” in between 1890 and 1945 were all polygamists and their underlings also...

It was a proclamation not a surrender...

and there was anbother proclamation in 1904 and yet anther one later...

years after 1890 Utah sent a senator to Washington who had at least three wives...

He never was allowed to be seated though...

Seven million non-Mormons around the country signed a petition to ban him from congress...

Utah was told to send a monogamous man as the senator...

Utah was not happy about the rest of the country denying them their “constitutional rights”..

It was things like this that allow Mormons today to say they were so “persecuted”...

No the Mormons never have “renounced” polygamy...they still practice it...

and its still one of their main tenets...

d&c 132 has never been renounced nor denounced by any Mormon leader...


10 posted on 05/15/2014 7:29:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Religion in Kenya[1]
religion percent
Christianity
  
82.5%
Islam
  
11.1%
No religion
  
2.4%
Indigenous
  
1.6%
Other
  
1.7%
Unspecified
  
0.7%

11 posted on 05/15/2014 11:28:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kenya’s polygamy law gets thumbs up from U.S.

America's FAG marriage law gets thumbs up from US; too!

12 posted on 05/15/2014 11:29:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Her husband Joseph Smith took any woman he wanted and doesn’t seem to have ever checked with her...

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

13 posted on 05/15/2014 11:30:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
d&c 132 has never been renounced nor denounced by any Mormon leader...

They DID; however; produce this really lame attempt at...




 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


14 posted on 05/15/2014 11:32:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

It’s too bad all our FR Mormons no longer want to come out and play...


15 posted on 05/15/2014 11:32:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws...”

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
______________________________________________

That’s what he said in 1890

but he never did get rid of his extra wives...

and he added some more after 1890...

so just what did “submit” mean ???

ala Bill Clinton ???


16 posted on 05/15/2014 12:44:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
so just what did “submit” mean ???

You TRYING to get me in trouble???

;^)

17 posted on 05/16/2014 4:42:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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