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Maybe, Just Maybe . . . Obamacare is Unconstitutional (Maybe?)
Townhall.com ^ | May 18, 2014 | Joanne Moudy

Posted on 05/18/2014 11:13:38 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Taxman
When all three branches of the federal government (the Executive, the Legislative and the Judicial) behave in an illegal and unconstitutional manner, what remedy is left to We the People?

File Violation of RICO Statutes charges (class action?).

1. It qualifies.
2. Any individual or group can file those charges.

21 posted on 05/18/2014 12:24:12 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s unconstitutional. The supreme justice acted stupidly when he gave his decision.


22 posted on 05/18/2014 12:36:42 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Gaffer
Like it or not, the bill number originated in the House. How they got there and by what outrageous machinations are immaterial. Our illustrious Supreme Court will rule it such.

That is an absurd response.
I'm no more a Constitutional Scholar than Omugabe is, but if memory serves me right not all House Originated bills conclude their journey into law. Nor do they all address taxation revenue.

Why wasn't one of those "dead" numbers used?

In other words, the number of the bill originated in the house; the remainder of the proposed bill, or "law"" did not.

Sending just a number to the senate for approval, a blank check, so to speak, has never happened in history, and is meaningless.

Even historic legal systems and lawyers are not that stupid. In spite of the historic observation that "The Law is A Ass..."

23 posted on 05/18/2014 12:38:23 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: I want the USA back; Kaslin; All

Of course it’s unconstitutional.

Roberts plainly said it’s a tax.

Is it a “tax” on alcohol, tobacco, firearms?
No. If you live and breathe you must pay.

Is it a “tax” on income?
No. If you live and breathe you must pay.

Is it a tax on foreign investments?
No. If you live and breathe you must pay.

Is it a tax on “living and breathing”?
Yes. It is a tax on life itself.

I wonder what the tea party would have been, if instead of a two cent tax on tea, the tax had been on life itself!

This demonstrates absolutely how out-of-touch Washington, DC. is. This, more than anything, shows us how they have LOST the ideas of the founders.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 12:46:14 PM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Kaslin
Look folks the fix is in..DC is just one politically incestuous cesspool..there still a lot of back biting going on it DC but is mostly now going on during consensual sodomy with each other in thier bedrooms

DC is producing laws that are the equivalent of inbred morons princes of the royalty of old sent out to terrorize the serfs

All the houses of power, all the factions, in DC now have an interest in protecting each others progeny because in the long run it supports their mutual "collective" power over you

Like I said all the houses of power in DC are now inbred royalty relatives like 16th century European kingdoms, it's one big family and your not part of it ..you service it

25 posted on 05/18/2014 12:57:50 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Not at all.

I am not aware of a legal way for We the People to put an end to illegal and unconstitutional behavior on the part of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government.

If all three are corrupt, who wields the checks and balances?


26 posted on 05/18/2014 12:58:42 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Taxman

> When all three branches of the federal government (the Executive, the Legislative and the Judicial) behave in an illegal and unconstitutional manner, what remedy is left to We the People?

Hopefully scorched earth...


27 posted on 05/18/2014 12:59:39 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Hostage

I don’t think so, at least not in this case.

By the time an Article V convention is held, and 38 states ratify any changes to remedy the problem, the evildoers will be long gone, enjoying their ill-gotten riches.


28 posted on 05/18/2014 1:00:38 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: publius911

I like the notion, publius, but if, as I maintain, the court system is as corrupt as the other two branches and refuses to hear the argument, then what?


29 posted on 05/18/2014 1:03:14 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Taxman
Admit The People made a horrendous mistake when they bought Progressive Snake-Oil in 1913.

Return the senate back to the states.

30 posted on 05/18/2014 1:03:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

I agree!

Repealing the 17th Amendment has always been on my “To Do” list!

Along with the 16th, of course!


31 posted on 05/18/2014 1:05:24 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Ken H

> Yep. The Court has already spoken.

I would be very interested to hear the REAL reason Roberts voted to impose this travesty of justice against the will of the people. I bet you our suspicions would be conirmed that he was threatened and blackmailed and that the ACA’s primary purpose was never about proving healthcare. Surely Roberts studied the damn thing. Well didn’t he?


32 posted on 05/18/2014 1:08:59 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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Obama and Holder have given us the answer; both have said that various Attorneys General don’t have to enforce any law they don’t like, haven’t they? C.f., US immigration laws; various executive orders exempting favored businesses and labor unions FRom Obamacare? And others, of course — these are the most egregious.

I mean, if the head shed says states and the federal government can ignore laws they don’t like, surely, We the People can do the same?

<\sarcasm>


33 posted on 05/18/2014 1:17:08 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Kaslin

I confess that I am putting a whole hope of hope on this one.

SIGH.


34 posted on 05/18/2014 1:23:58 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: publius911

My response isn’t absurd. Reid’s actions were. Don’t shoot the messenger for bad news.


35 posted on 05/18/2014 1:28:36 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Beagle8U

Because Scott Brown was elected to Ted Kennedy’s old seat, so the Dems no longer had 60 votes to close debate on new bills in the Senate. So they had to use a bill that had passed in the house, because “reconciliations” don’t need more than 50 votes to close debate.


36 posted on 05/18/2014 1:34:00 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Taxman

“When all three branches of the federal government (the Executive, the Legislative and the Judicial) behave in an illegal and unconstitutional manner, what remedy is left to We the People?”

Parliamentary Law at the local level remains and can be used to cleanup the political and judicial offices from the bottom up.


37 posted on 05/18/2014 1:34:04 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: publius911

bkmk


38 posted on 05/18/2014 2:30:02 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Taxman
"...various executive orders exempting favored businesses and labor unions FRom Obamacare?"

That's the arguement that should be getting the most traction, but isn't.

39 posted on 05/18/2014 2:34:57 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Kaslin

Whatever Obama had on Roberts, he STILL has on Roberts. So this thing ain’t going to be overturned by the USSC.

The only way it will be overturned is if we elect Ted Cruz as POTUS and we have GOP controlled Congress.


40 posted on 05/18/2014 3:03:19 PM PDT by Signalman
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