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Racism claim dooms bid to honor Mark Twain in NV
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | May 18, 2014 | MARTIN GRIFFITH

Posted on 05/18/2014 7:47:58 PM PDT by artichokegrower

RENO, Nev. (AP) — A state panel has effectively killed a bid to name a Lake Tahoe cove for Mark Twain, citing opposition from a tribe that says he held racist views on Native Americans.

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To: artichokegrower

Mark Twain, in his day, called Lake Tahoe “The Fairest Picture the Whole Earth Affords.”

He deserves to have a cove named after him. If the Washoe Tribe doesn’t like it, who the hell cares?


41 posted on 05/18/2014 10:35:57 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Holdem Or Foldem

“What Jesus would do if it can be fathomed creates no obligation in me to do likewise.”

Actually, it does.


42 posted on 05/18/2014 10:52:48 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Salvey; bboop

“How tiresome this racism thing has become.”

I wish it was only tiresome, an annoyance... I could put up with that by simply ignoring it.

Unfortunately it pervades all our thoughts and actions. If you’re at all in the public sphere, you have to walk on eggshells as the thought police monitors not only what you’re saying today but what you said 20 years ago (e.g.Paula Dean, Mark Twain, Churchill).

And even if you tow the line that doesn’t save you. Just this week Rev Jackson went on a shakedown trip to California to play race card with Google, demanding that they hire more “minority”, even though probably half their workforce are chinese, indian and middle-easterns. I take it he meant something else by “minority”.

Of course Google, like a pathetic obedient poodle readily confessed their sins and complied.


43 posted on 05/18/2014 11:10:42 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: artichokegrower

If Twain is to be considered racist, then all treaties with the so called “Native” Americans should be declared null and void due to the racist government persons who penned them.


44 posted on 05/18/2014 11:13:35 PM PDT by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: artichokegrower

Twain also said, “To arrive at a just estimate of a renowned man’s character one must judge it by the standards of his time, not ours.”


45 posted on 05/18/2014 11:15:08 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: taterjay

Doesn’t Obama compare himself to Lincoln???


Sure does.


46 posted on 05/19/2014 1:20:04 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Vendome
I remarked a few years back, after one of my trips abroad, that “travel to other countries and cultures should cure racism”. My statement was tossed back in my face as a plagarism to a similar statement Mark Twain once uttered. I was unaware of his comment but, it is true or should be of any one right in the head.

Mark Twain was a thinker and has many good quotes to choose from - all making perfect sense even today. I like the one where he says that "Worry is like making advance payment for something you're not likely to get anyway".

But, along with characters saying the "N-word" and other "racist" traits, he also helped cut down a huge redwood in Sequoia National Park outside of Fresno - I was in the area some years ago and made the tip to hike a bit and saw it. The dang noble-tree killer doesn't deserve to even be remembered.../s

I think he had enough stories and quotes that mock the Left with truth, and that is the real reason behind the deal.

47 posted on 05/19/2014 3:12:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: wku man
Tiresome? I agree. So let's get off our a**es and start using pop culture to reach and deprogram those who were programmed to believe all these lies by pop culture in the first place. It's the only way we're eve going to reach Generation.com.

Agreed. Bravely retreating from the culture war is still retreating. I'm a merciless pimp of "Turn" on AMC because I want to get as many viewers as possible to encourage them to make such patriotic television with such a strong historical background. At the same time I'm suggesting that they take a second look at picking up "Courage New Hampshire".
48 posted on 05/19/2014 3:32:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

From the Declaration Of Independence:

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”


49 posted on 05/19/2014 4:13:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Twain also made a few observations about the French.


50 posted on 05/19/2014 4:58:01 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: artichokegrower

Find all the old copies of anything Mark Twain, quickly, before the damnable revisionists get hold of them!!!


51 posted on 05/19/2014 5:27:10 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: TigersEye

Having long been a student of the West in American History, Twain’s account was realistic of what he observed. While there is tremendous variation in the Indians of the Americas, several broad generalizations hold true:

1) East of the Mississippi, the northern and southern tribes had in prehistory engaged in a horrific war, so that by the time of the European arrival, what is today the East-West and North-South crossroads of the region, much of the state of what is now Kentucky, was a “neutral zone” to both sides. The occupation of this neutral zone was the *only* way westward expansion could happen, as both sides were otherwise too powerful and aggressive.

Eventually, Andrew Jackson engaged in ethnic cleansing to permanently remove this threat of the “five civilized tribes” to West of the Mississippi.

2) The powerful tribes of the Plains Indians held lands far greater than their numbers, yet even by the time of the Civil War still represented a major threat, as did the tribes of the southwest. Capable armies in opposition to westward expansion, that took the US Army many years to subdue.

3) Finally, scattered around the periphery of the major tribes were many minor tribes, such as Twain described, who lived in almost perpetual starvation.

Importantly, the context for Twain was the hopeless romanticism of “The Noble Savage” that filled the eastern and even European press. It neither saw the power, might and aggression of the warrior tribes, nor the abject poverty of many of the lesser tribes. It did not distinguish the “red man” of the northeast “civilized” tribes and the almost black in color, near stone age primitive tribes that lead hand to mouth lives.

But what Twain wrote was an effort to dispel these illusions.


52 posted on 05/19/2014 6:46:28 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: cripplecreek
I agree about Turn...I'm amazed that someone actually had the guts to pitch it to a production company, and that it got green lighted. It's a good start, but we need a lot more shows like it, celebrating all phases of American history.

We also need to work on getting more conservative/patriotic music (other than country, which most young people don't listen to), video games, sports team ownership, and so on. The Pubbies were stupid to surrender in the culture war.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

53 posted on 05/19/2014 9:56:34 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: wku man
Be sure to contact AMC and ask them to take another look at James Riley's "Courage New Hampshire". You can buy the episodes he's already done but he's struggling to round up cash for more. He even had Andrew Beitbart play a cameo role as a colonial sheriff in one episode. It takes place a few years earlier than Turn as a small town begins to resist the increasing pressure of the British.

Colony Bay

Our Take on Turn: James Riley

I also enjoy a story of the American Revolution that is unashamed to recognize the British as the bad guys. They were, after all, morally compromised, fighting for a cause you can tell they had trouble believing. Now, I have not watched the series to the end, and no villain can be so uniformly villainous you have no sense of their humanity, but there’s enough here, certainly, to hate — and drama thrives on hate. A dramatic, fictional television series can’t be as neutral as the bloodless academy observer, clucking on about a war that can’t possibly touch him. Men voluntarily enlist in armies and go to war for a reason. I’m glad the series producers appear to realize that.

We live in a great, though fading republic, and the truth is: we need a lot more of these stories. We shouldn’t be counting them on one hand.


Its easy to be self righteous about not watching television but its a losing strategy. Better that we promote and support good TV at every opportunity.
54 posted on 05/19/2014 10:13:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Apparently the only Indian he ever observed was one alcoholic hang-about-the-fort. He paints all Indians with that broad brush and only an uninformed idiot would consider it realistic. Try reading some Allan W. Eckert.


55 posted on 05/19/2014 11:42:06 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

There is a lot of difference between a historian and a historical writer. If you want facts, the best sources are the reports of US Army officers of the time, who much of the time acted as mediators between tribes, while often disregarding “kill them all” orders from Washington.

But the fantasy approach leads nowhere.


56 posted on 05/19/2014 11:54:32 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Allan Eckert doesn’t write fantasy which, ironically, is exactly what Twain was writing. Also try some Royal B. Hassrick, Mari Sandoz and others who actually knew Indians who lived on their own. Oh, and Lewis and Clark’s accounts.


57 posted on 05/19/2014 11:59:42 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: artichokegrower

Mark Twain Cove

Call it Squaw Inlet and call it good.


58 posted on 05/19/2014 12:07:26 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: aquila48

‘You have to walk on eggshells’ - and ‘if you don’t toe the line’ — Here’s the thing. We must NEVER walk on eggshells and NEVER toe the line. We must speak the Truth fearlessly. What if we DON’T play their game? PC is insidious, it is evil, it obfuscates the Truth, but the Truth will set you free.


59 posted on 05/19/2014 12:37:02 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: SkyDancer

eeew...that picture made my skin crawl. Her hair looks so dirty.

Imagine how disappointed her parents must be.


60 posted on 05/19/2014 12:41:29 PM PDT by ladyjane
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