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Court Says Police Allowed To Kidnap Gun Owners With No Warrant
Western Journalism ^ | 5/22/14 | B. Christopher Agee —

Posted on 05/22/2014 6:12:21 PM PDT by blueyon

Court Says Police Allowed To Kidnap Gun Owners With No Warrant Sutterfield pleaded with them, insisting she was in no danger...

The ongoing saga revolving around pro-gun activist Krysta Sutterfield could be seen as a troubling portent for all Second Amendment supporters. The Milwaukee, Wis. resident made some local news prior to this incident for toting a handgun to church and carrying outside a nearby coffee shop.

Like millions of Americans, she went to see a psychiatrist a few years back in an effort to sort out some personal issues. When she mentioned something about suicide during one session, the doctor went straight to the authorities.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; guncontrol; obama; policestate
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Moral of the story..................I would think it is stay away from psychiatrist but what do I know
1 posted on 05/22/2014 6:12:21 PM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon

Indeed. No psychiatrists, doctors, teachers, lawyers etc. They’re all agents of the government now. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.


2 posted on 05/22/2014 6:15:00 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: blueyon

An apple a day keeps the guns in your house.


3 posted on 05/22/2014 6:15:03 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: blueyon

No, the moral of the story is that unless the SCOTUS overturns this decision there is no limiting principle that restrains police from entering your home absent a warrant so long as they “feel” they need to.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 6:16:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: blueyon
The lesson of this case: ALL of the Bill of Rights matter.

In this case, the Fourth Amendment was trashed so the Second Amendment could be trashed. If any of the rights in the BOR are destroyed, the others are greatly vulnerable.

5 posted on 05/22/2014 6:22:09 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: blueyon
If she told a psychiatrist she was contemplating suicide, the psychiatrist was obliged by law to report it.

If the police receive a report that someone intends to harm herself, that constitutes probable cause.

It is also grounds for an involuntary psych hold.

These are not radical new developments. This has been the law for decades, even centuries.

6 posted on 05/22/2014 6:24:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: jwalsh07
unless the SCOTUS overturns this decision

Not likely

There will be no refuge in the courts for defenders of liberty in America.

The federal courts are not going to uphold the Constitution or defend our liberties. The people help themselves, or they are SOL.

7 posted on 05/22/2014 6:24:38 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: wideawake

“If she told a psychiatrist she was contemplating suicide, the psychiatrist was obliged by law to report it.

If the police receive a report that someone intends to harm herself, that constitutes probable cause.

It is also grounds for an involuntary psych hold.

These are not radical new developments. This has been the law for decades, even centuries. “

You raise a good point, wish we could find out more about this story


8 posted on 05/22/2014 6:31:20 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Probable cause is enshrined in the Constitution. Why would SCOTUS overturn it?


9 posted on 05/22/2014 6:32:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

thanks for a reasoned response...


10 posted on 05/22/2014 6:36:30 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: wideawake

There is a lot left out of this story, but going on what is stated here, the police were not justified in storming her house and incarcerating her.

The word of one “expert” with no other documentation or history of corroborating events, is not sufficient for “probable cause”. That is a major slippery slope, one the fascists will eagerly use against any sort of political dissent.

Probable cause is for serving a warrant, not for storming the Bastille. The police are not even required to knock on the door and announce their presence and intent? BS


11 posted on 05/22/2014 6:41:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: jwalsh07
there is no limiting principle that restrains police from entering your home absent a warrant so long as they “feel” they need to.

There is a limiting force at one's disposal should logic, reason and morality fail to keep the constabulary from entering. More citizens will begin to avail themselves of this force and cops will die as a result. But then, I suppose that's why there is such a push to grab all the guns.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 6:44:36 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: blueyon

If you want to be able to buy or own a gun, be very, very careful as to what you say and who you say it to.


13 posted on 05/22/2014 6:45:33 PM PDT by sport
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To: blueyon

Doctor went straight to the authorities??? Is that proper? Is that ethical?

So now people have to be very guarded in what they tell their doctor? Can’t blame this one on the government - what has happened to the medical community?


14 posted on 05/22/2014 6:48:31 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
A sworn affidavit from a medical professional is indeed probable cause, and if exigent circumstances are present (like someone threatening to kill herself) the police can proceed without a warrant.

Again, this is not new.

15 posted on 05/22/2014 6:53:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: blueyon
I would think it is stay away from psychiatrist but what do I know

I agree. You would have to be crazy to open up to a psychiatrist.

16 posted on 05/22/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: wideawake

Excellent points.
Hard to see the psychologist or cops at fault here.


17 posted on 05/22/2014 6:56:48 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: MichaelCorleone
So now people have to be very guarded in what they tell their doctor?

Yes. We have examples for and against this principle. Jared Lee Loughner demonstrated psychotic behavior prior to the shooting, but nobody paid any attention to that. Adam Lanza was seen by a psychiatrist, but not often, and he was allowed to go entirely insane. On the other hand, we have this situation where, perhaps, the LEO overreacted, but nobody got killed.

Doctors are more likely to learn about a danger; however everyone can face this situation. An inebriated friend trying to get into his car is just one example. What should be done about it? It's a matter of what the society wants to build: a Wild West world on one end, and the herd of sheep who'd pay anything for absolute safety on another - or something in between. The government, of course, wants the sheep option to become the new reality, no matter what the Constitution says.

18 posted on 05/22/2014 7:03:15 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: blueyon
Liberals probably believe this is their way to ban guns.

EXAMPLE: you're pulled over for speeding, improper lane change, whatever, and it is "discovered" that you own a gun (or guns), or even (horror!!) that you have a conceal carry license (you were probably targeted to be pulled over as the cops already know you own guns), you'll be forced into a psych eval, where it will be determined that you should not be allowed access to firearms.

Voila! You lose forever your right to own a gun. Do this to enough people and the libs figure they can handle the few remaining gun owners.

19 posted on 05/22/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: blueyon; xzins

In many states suicide is no longer illegal and assisted suicide is acceptable. As long as suicide is considered a normal behavior and no longer a crime, the police have no justification for attempting to prevent any person from offing themselves.

Thus in states that sanction suicide as an alternative to a natural death, the state has no compelling interest in forcing a person into an involuntary commitment.

That being said, I think it is really a stupid idea these days that if you have psychiatric problems that you discuss them with a psychiatrist. I would suggest finding a gun loving red neck church with a pastor or pastoral staff that has experience in spiritual counseling.


20 posted on 05/22/2014 7:06:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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