Posted on 05/22/2014 6:12:21 PM PDT by blueyon
Court Says Police Allowed To Kidnap Gun Owners With No Warrant Sutterfield pleaded with them, insisting she was in no danger...
The ongoing saga revolving around pro-gun activist Krysta Sutterfield could be seen as a troubling portent for all Second Amendment supporters. The Milwaukee, Wis. resident made some local news prior to this incident for toting a handgun to church and carrying outside a nearby coffee shop.
Like millions of Americans, she went to see a psychiatrist a few years back in an effort to sort out some personal issues. When she mentioned something about suicide during one session, the doctor went straight to the authorities.
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Indeed. No psychiatrists, doctors, teachers, lawyers etc. They’re all agents of the government now. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
An apple a day keeps the guns in your house.
No, the moral of the story is that unless the SCOTUS overturns this decision there is no limiting principle that restrains police from entering your home absent a warrant so long as they “feel” they need to.
In this case, the Fourth Amendment was trashed so the Second Amendment could be trashed. If any of the rights in the BOR are destroyed, the others are greatly vulnerable.
If the police receive a report that someone intends to harm herself, that constitutes probable cause.
It is also grounds for an involuntary psych hold.
These are not radical new developments. This has been the law for decades, even centuries.
Not likely
There will be no refuge in the courts for defenders of liberty in America.
The federal courts are not going to uphold the Constitution or defend our liberties. The people help themselves, or they are SOL.
“If she told a psychiatrist she was contemplating suicide, the psychiatrist was obliged by law to report it.
If the police receive a report that someone intends to harm herself, that constitutes probable cause.
It is also grounds for an involuntary psych hold.
These are not radical new developments. This has been the law for decades, even centuries. “
You raise a good point, wish we could find out more about this story
Probable cause is enshrined in the Constitution. Why would SCOTUS overturn it?
thanks for a reasoned response...
There is a lot left out of this story, but going on what is stated here, the police were not justified in storming her house and incarcerating her.
The word of one “expert” with no other documentation or history of corroborating events, is not sufficient for “probable cause”. That is a major slippery slope, one the fascists will eagerly use against any sort of political dissent.
Probable cause is for serving a warrant, not for storming the Bastille. The police are not even required to knock on the door and announce their presence and intent? BS
There is a limiting force at one's disposal should logic, reason and morality fail to keep the constabulary from entering. More citizens will begin to avail themselves of this force and cops will die as a result. But then, I suppose that's why there is such a push to grab all the guns.
If you want to be able to buy or own a gun, be very, very careful as to what you say and who you say it to.
Doctor went straight to the authorities??? Is that proper? Is that ethical?
So now people have to be very guarded in what they tell their doctor? Can’t blame this one on the government - what has happened to the medical community?
Again, this is not new.
I agree. You would have to be crazy to open up to a psychiatrist.
Excellent points.
Hard to see the psychologist or cops at fault here.
Yes. We have examples for and against this principle. Jared Lee Loughner demonstrated psychotic behavior prior to the shooting, but nobody paid any attention to that. Adam Lanza was seen by a psychiatrist, but not often, and he was allowed to go entirely insane. On the other hand, we have this situation where, perhaps, the LEO overreacted, but nobody got killed.
Doctors are more likely to learn about a danger; however everyone can face this situation. An inebriated friend trying to get into his car is just one example. What should be done about it? It's a matter of what the society wants to build: a Wild West world on one end, and the herd of sheep who'd pay anything for absolute safety on another - or something in between. The government, of course, wants the sheep option to become the new reality, no matter what the Constitution says.
EXAMPLE: you're pulled over for speeding, improper lane change, whatever, and it is "discovered" that you own a gun (or guns), or even (horror!!) that you have a conceal carry license (you were probably targeted to be pulled over as the cops already know you own guns), you'll be forced into a psych eval, where it will be determined that you should not be allowed access to firearms.
Voila! You lose forever your right to own a gun. Do this to enough people and the libs figure they can handle the few remaining gun owners.
In many states suicide is no longer illegal and assisted suicide is acceptable. As long as suicide is considered a normal behavior and no longer a crime, the police have no justification for attempting to prevent any person from offing themselves.
Thus in states that sanction suicide as an alternative to a natural death, the state has no compelling interest in forcing a person into an involuntary commitment.
That being said, I think it is really a stupid idea these days that if you have psychiatric problems that you discuss them with a psychiatrist. I would suggest finding a gun loving red neck church with a pastor or pastoral staff that has experience in spiritual counseling.
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