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Cops never saw shooter’s disturbing videos before spree
New York Post ^ | May 25, 2014 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/25/2014 4:22:15 PM PDT by conservative98

His parents said they were so concerned that they called police. Officers who showed up at Rodger’s doorstep for a mental health check in April, however, found a well-mannered if shy young man whom they concluded posed no risk.

They hadn’t seen the videos, and by the time law enforcement had, it was too late: Rodger had gone on a deadly rampage.

The sheriff’s office “was not aware of any videos until after the shooting rampage occurred,” Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Kelly Hoover said.

Sheriff Bill Brown has defended the officers’ actions, but the case highlights the challenges that police face in assessing the mental health of adults, particularly those with no history of violent breakdowns, institutionalizations or serious crimes.

“Obviously, looking back on this, it’s a very tragic situation and we certainly wish that we could turn the clock back and maybe change some things,” Brown told CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday.

“At the time deputies interacted with him, he was able to convince them that he was OK,” he said.

It’s not clear why the sheriffs did not become aware of the videos. Attorney Alan Shifman said the Rodger family had called police after being alarmed by YouTube videos “regarding suicide and the killing of people” that Elliot Rodger had been posting.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca; california; cops; denial; donutwatch; elliotrodger; guncontrol; guns; knife; knives; leo; police; rodger; santabarbara; santabarbarapolice; secondamendment; videos; youtube
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1 posted on 05/25/2014 4:22:15 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: conservative98

They always say “shooter” for some reason. I think murderer or killer would be more appropriate since he killed 3 with a knife.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 4:25:06 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Unfortunately for the victims of the knife attack, they will never be mentioned again because they were killed with a weapon the left knows can never be banned..meanwhile they will do everything in their power to ban guns


3 posted on 05/25/2014 4:27:05 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: conservative98

Too bad his father was a liberal Hollywood metrosexual. There was a time in America when a father would have marched into his deranged son’s apartment, took away his guns, stopped funding his drugs and BMW and acted like a man. Instead he calls first the police, then his lawyer and blames inanimate objects for the behavior of this lunatic.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 4:27:43 PM PDT by allendale
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To: conservative98

It’s not absolutely clear whether the family specifically mentioned the videos when they called the police and said their son was suicidal. But it would seem an obvious thing to check, whether or not they were mentioned.

It seems to me that they didn’t see the videos because they didn’t bother to look.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 4:27:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: conservative98

Okay, maybe no one told them verbatim about the videos, but did they even run a Goggle search? You know how young people are today, they want to film and post everything about themselves, even gangs members will stupidly do this. If this fellow had been as sick as I believe, since early teenage, he should have been given over to the social system and put into a supervised living facility, or group home. His siblings were cheated out of an otherwise normal childhood because of all his temper tantrums. He was even planning to kill his little brother, and his stepmother. Elliot thought since his brother was a friendly and outgoing little person, the little one would ‘eventually surpass him’ and get a girlfriend before he, Elliot did. That was a development Elliot could not ‘allow’ to happen.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 4:31:19 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: conservative98

Let me adjust my tinfoil hat: This dad is awfully talkative.
If my son had done what his did, I’d need some strong sedatives for a while followed by intense therapy before ever making a public appearance, let alone speaking publicly.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 4:33:23 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: conservative98

As usual, a typical CYA move from those who dropped the ball.


8 posted on 05/25/2014 4:36:04 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: conservative98

The cops are not equipped to make mental evaluations of people and have no authority to act if they did conclude this kid was nuts. That is why, for legal purposes, mental incompetence is adjudicated in a court.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 4:36:41 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: txrefugee
The polcie were warned about the videos.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 4:39:26 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: conservative98

*police. The polcie knew about the videos before they did the checkup. Sounds like they didn’t bother to watch the videos.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 4:41:20 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: yarddog

“”They always say “shooter” for some reason. I think murderer or killer would be more appropriate since he killed 3 with a knife.”””

Got a couple with his car, too. Better ban those while we are at it.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 4:42:38 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: conservative98

LEO had ample warning and failed, absolutely failed to prevent this awful tragedy.

/S


13 posted on 05/25/2014 4:48:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: TigersEye

That’s why California includes the 5150 code provision for involuntary incarceration (up to 72 hours, I believe) for a professional assessment. While the cops can’t determine if the subject is crazy, they do have a method to have the person evaluated.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 4:54:07 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Not ban them entirely. They will still have their armed guards.


15 posted on 05/25/2014 4:55:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: conservative98
.found a well-mannered if shy young man whom they concluded posed no risk.

Yeah, they said the same thing about Jeffrey Dahmer after one of his teen victims ran naked in the street screaming Dahmer was trying to kill him and the genius cops believed Dahmers story that he was his gay lover and left allowing Dahmer to kill the kid. The bottom line which every cop should know is that psychopaths can turn on the charm, the BS at a moments notice, which is why so many make good Democrat politicians. That is basic common knowledge in any police work. The kids PARENTS called them, so why didn't they bust his chops? "Mind if we look around" stuff like that?

16 posted on 05/25/2014 4:57:26 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: conservative98

Daddy - a rich liberal elite - needs a mental health check done on his son so HE CALLS THE POLICE? Because they’re free? Because he’s looking to cover his ass and blame the police? What’s wrong with this picture?

Lucky for ‘Daddy’ he’s a liberal elite - the press will buy anything that drops from him mouth.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 4:58:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (Someone explain why {the MSM} uses the term liberal to describe totalitarian sociopaths? BruceinOz)
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To: conservative98

The police have no responsibility to protect anyone because they can’t be everywhere.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 4:59:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: conservative98

Videos do not kill people.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 5:00:29 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: conservative98

When the people who know the perpetrator BEST (his parents) call the Sheriff.. CHECK HIM OUT AND WATCH THE DARN VIDEOS!.. or perhaps that interfered with their donut shop excursions?


20 posted on 05/25/2014 5:03:19 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: conservative98

People shooting others, all for no apparent reason, one of the dangers of a free society.

The alternative is so much worse, as millions would attest to if they hadn’t been murdered by the very kind of people so many Freepers think should have taken to gun from this young man.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 5:03:38 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

>>The kids PARENTS called them, so why didn’t they bust his chops? “<L<

Because, at 22 years of age he has as much rights as every other adult American citizen and with the right lawyer he could clean their clocks and wallets.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 5:07:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: goodwithagun

Yeah me too I be in shock if I was a mom

There is speculation that dude wasn’t right in the head KFI radio news has great story on it during Mo Kelly show that dude had “some mental issues’ unfortunately he didn’t fit the critqute of 5150 laws in state of CALI


23 posted on 05/25/2014 5:08:47 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: bunkerhill7
Videos don't kill. But cops will stop and hassle you if you are just walking or driving down the street. If cops stop your car, they will ask if they can look inside. These cops knew there were videos of him saying he was going to kill people, that's why they went to the apartment.

Did the cops at least ask to look inside the apartment or do any further investigation? The guy said if they looked inside, he knew it would have been all over. Maybe the cops didn't have the right to look inside the apartment or maybe they did, but they did not ask and did no further investigation. They just asked a couple questions, took his word for it, and went back to the donut shop.
24 posted on 05/25/2014 5:21:58 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The local news here keeps on calling it a “Shooting” Rampage..they don’t even mention the three who were stabbed to death..just as I suspected, they no longer exist..they lumped them altogether with the ones who were killed by gunfire and are telling the public that all six were killed by a gun


25 posted on 05/25/2014 5:27:59 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I wonder if it mattered in terms of searches that the kid lived in a kind of “home,” for special-needs people, apparently. I wonder if they had asked to search, who would legally be allowed to OK it? Everyone seems to be talking a lot (parents, police) very quickly after the crime. I guess it is CYA mode, but it is strange to see.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 5:33:22 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Why ruin a perfectly good propaganda campaign with facts?


27 posted on 05/25/2014 5:34:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: yarddog

The REASON they always say “Shooter” is because they are ANTI-GUN!


28 posted on 05/25/2014 5:36:52 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Bob

That’s what I was thinking. And it wouldn’t just be hearsay if he posted videos of himself making threats.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 5:38:53 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Obama’s Administrations is ALREADY considering Knife Control! They are thinking of English knife laws! If you possess a knife outside of your kitchen, you WILL go to jail, is their plan.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 5:39:15 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yep, the media knows knives will never be banned and what the Commies have always wanted are guns to be banned, that way they control everyone..whenever I hear someone bring up “Gun Control” I remember the words of Adolf Hitler “To control a nation, one must disarm its citizens.” Meanwhile, turns out the killer was obsessed with the California Lottery, was pissed he never won..perhaps we need to ban the lottery..for the children


31 posted on 05/25/2014 5:39:37 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2harddrive

I have some butcher knives in my kitchen..I am afraid they might come out of the drawers and start stabbing people..should I go hide under my bed?


32 posted on 05/25/2014 5:40:57 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Bob

Fair enough. I would put more of the onus on the parents to see to it that it was done than on the cops though.


33 posted on 05/25/2014 5:45:56 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Only anti-Mohhamed videos.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 5:50:03 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I’m sure glad someone else sees this.


35 posted on 05/25/2014 5:52:22 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: conservative98

But less than a month before his attacks, after he had planned the killings and obtained the guns he would use, the community college student opened his door to a knock to find about seven officers looking for him.

“I had the striking and devastating fear that someone had somehow discovered what I was planning to do, and reported me for it,” Rodger said in a manifesto obtained by California’s KEYT-TV, excerpts of which were published by the Los Angeles Times.

“If that was the case, the police would have searched my room, found all of my guns and weapons, along with my writings about what I plan to do with them. I would have been thrown in jail, denied of the chance to exact revenge on my enemies. I can’t imagine a hell darker than that. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case, but it was so close,” he wrote.

He said he learned that videos he posted online had alarmed his mother, and he believed either she or a mental health agency had asked authorities to check up on him.

“The police interrogated me outside for a few minutes, asking me if I had suicidal thoughts. I tactfully told them that it was all a misunderstanding, and they finally left,” he said in the manifesto, according to the Times.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/25/us-usa-shooting-california-idUSBREA4N05120140525


36 posted on 05/25/2014 5:57:26 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: TigersEye
Fair enough. I would put more of the onus on the parents to see to it that it was done than on the cops though.

I agree, the parents were much more familiar with the son and his situation then the cops could be expected to be. While the cops should have checked out the videos, since they didn't, the kid was able to snow them on his mental state.

37 posted on 05/25/2014 6:00:13 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Someone upthread said he didn’t fit the 5150 profile anyway. I don’t know anything about that. Did he make threats in any of his videos prior to the last one?


38 posted on 05/25/2014 6:06:38 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Cicero

Now these killings can legitimately be blamed on a You Tube video. But the dumb libs will blame it on guns.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 6:27:01 PM PDT by Arsynic
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To: Arsynic
these killings can legitimately be blamed on a You Tube video. But the dumb libs will blame it on guns.

I'd blame it on a sick twisted freak.

40 posted on 05/25/2014 6:35:13 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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I'd blame it on a sick twisted freak.

Since it would be very hard to ban someone who is dead, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fit with the liberal agenda. It is much more entertaining for them to blame it all on inanimate objects which had little to do with the number of deaths. Rather than blaming the most obvious accessory (the BMW), they aim at the gun which they hate anyway.

Let's be perfectly honest, the one thing that the liberals least want to address is how many of the most recent mass murder perps had been under active psychological counseling. I'm pretty sure that the answer is all 12 of the last 12 mass attacks. Any question of the liberal lovechild of therapy is of course forbidden....

41 posted on 05/25/2014 7:50:58 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: conservative98

He was watching clips of “Mac and Me” on Youtube. They need to arrest the producer of that vile hate speech.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 7:54:16 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: conservative98

That’s a FOUR star sheriff. He must be really good with LOTS of experience, I mean FOUR star! WOW
What the hell gives these public Coppers the self important puffery to have all the stars on their collars? I call BS! Too much watching the history channel.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 7:56:59 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: 9422WMR

The parents were so concerned about the videos they were actually in route to Santa Barbara, they had notified the authorities before leaving to Santa Barbara, then heard on the radio while on the road about the shootings and they knew it was him immediately!!!! Cops saying they
knew nothing of the Videos is no more than CYA!!!!!


44 posted on 05/25/2014 8:03:53 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Kit cat

Shooter? Wasn’t he also a stabber??


45 posted on 05/25/2014 8:06:52 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

WELL YES!!!! However stabbings were NOT discovered until after the
shootings were being widely reported!!!!!


46 posted on 05/25/2014 8:24:01 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: conservative98
Here is a PDF of 137 pages of the 141-pafe killer manifesto.
I suppose the "authorities" have decided to shield us from the final four pages, for now.
Since this document was sent to a TV station, I would assume that in a country of adults, with a First Amendment it would be in the public domain.

I can't explain the lapse.

Just scroll down to the downloadable PDF file.

Nut Case Manifesto

47 posted on 05/25/2014 8:46:13 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: 9422WMR

I seen that. When I was with the SO we had bronze badges for rookies and silver for Deputies, the Sheriff wore the same badge except his said Sheriff not Sheriff’s department. The remainder of our uniforms were identical.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 3:54:40 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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These police departments and SO uniforms with all the stars and bars remind me of the old USSR army guys with all the badges. They had a regular chess board of stuff on their chest. The Central American Generalisimos do the same.
Some one should do a parody of the SBPD and have stars completely around his collar. Maybe even a row of 50 stars all over his chest and arms. I mean the LEO from Santa Barbara are so good they had the mental ability to tell the guy was no threat just by speaking with him. A death threat on YouTube should have had the idiot arrested for just that..


49 posted on 05/26/2014 6:02:43 AM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: publius911

According to that, 7 cops showed up to this door. Not one asked to look inside the apartment and not one watched any of the youtube videos. Donutwatch at its finest.


50 posted on 05/26/2014 10:45:55 AM PDT by conservative98
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