Posted on 05/26/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded words on Monday over the language spoken by Jesus two millennia ago. "Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew," Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity. "Aramaic," the pope interjected. "He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew," Netanyahu shot back. Like many things in the Middle East, where the pope is on the last leg of a three-day visit, modern-day discourse about Jesus is complicated and often political. A Jew, Jesus was born in Bethlehem in the Roman-ruled region of Judea, now the Israeli-occupied West Bank. He grew up in Nazareth and ministered in Galilee, both in northern Israel, and died in Jerusalem, a city revered by Jews, Christians and Muslims, and to which Israelis and Palestinians lay claim. Palestinians sometimes describe Jesus as a Palestinian. Israelis object to that. Israeli linguistics professor Ghil'ad Zuckermann told Reuters that both Netanyahu, son of a distinguished Jewish historian, and the pope, the spiritual leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, had a point. "Jesus was a native Aramaic speaker," he said about the largely defunct Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. "But he would have also known Hebrew because there were extant religious writings in Hebrew." Zuckermann said that during Jesus' time, Hebrew was spoken by the lower classes - "the kind of people he ministered to".
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You really think John was talking about land clearing operations?
You assume that all temporal judgments are irreversible. That’s not how it pans out.
No one endorses everything Israel does today in unbelief. But make no mistake: God’s not finished with them yet.
Let me help you out. It refers to the Church, the body of believers with Jesus at their head. Unbaptized Jews do not belong to this body.
But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
At the Second Coming, Israel will receive a special grace in the final opportunity to recognize and acknowledge her Lord. That is the meaning of Romans 11. But no one is saved against his will; no one's marched into heaven at gunpoint: the Jews who reject Jesus on the last day will receive what they desire -- separation from him forever.
Thanks for the post and ping. Jesus, His mother and disciples spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was the liturgical language of the Temple. And, since the Holy Land was under Roman rule, no doubt He understood and spoke Latin.
I always thought that the Son of God spoke all languages.
I guess if you’re a reporter, you have to make up conflict somewhere.
I would guess he spoke the language his listener needed to hear. Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic.... whatever was called for.
You just beat me.... I agree.
Thanks for the help. I agree that all who reject God will be rejected by him, as I said. By the way, I must say that you put a lot of weight on the details in parables. Don’t let it get you unbalanced! Shalom.
I’ve always wondered why all the debate about Israel etc. Without Christ no one is saved. Not the Jews in the 1st century after Christ’s resurrection... and not those 21 centuries later. Why would we believe any different about the end times? Christ preached to Jews. To the people of Israel and he told them all that without accepting the Son of Man, they were lost. Already lost.
Make no mistake about this: God has revealed nothing about any plan involving the re-institution of a Jewish state. If the state of Israel (the polity, not the people) is any part of God's will, it is unknown to us. Belief to the contrary is the 19th century invention of an American fringe sect -- previously unknown throughout Christian history. Zionism has nothing to do with Christianity.
It is high time that this muzzie lovin’ pope go to Iran and confront the POS known as Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
“Thanks for the post and ping. Jesus, His mother and disciples spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was the liturgical language of the Temple. And, since the Holy Land was under Roman rule, no doubt He understood and spoke Latin.”
That is the right answer.
You trust church tradition more than I do.
But even granting the role of tradition, I think it’s an overstatement to blame premillennialism on the Plymouth Brethren. It has a long history starting with the church fathers and extending right through the Reformation and the Puritan era. The State of Israel today is quite imperfect, but not insignificant.
Church tradition is scriptural. You ought to know that.
Premillennianism is a theory that was floated by SOME of the ante-Nicene fathers. It was never more than a theory, and its serious consideration didn’t survive the time of Augustine. It was never authoritatively taught by any church of apostolic origin. Its modern incarnation, taught as an article of faith, is a late and exotic novelty, entirely outside the Christian tradition.
We have no reason to perceive any providential motive in the existence of the State of Israel.
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