Posted on 06/12/2014 6:37:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Rabbi in US tells group behind hateful adverts 'Keep the Quran out of it'
It has been posted on many buses in Washington, D.C., for few weeks provoking Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
The ad reads, “Islamic Jew-hatred; It’s in the Quran. Two thirds of all US aid goes to Islamic countries. Stop racism. End all aid to Islamic countries.”
Muslims in the US, supported by several Christians and Jewish leaders, united in their efforts to respond to the ads claiming that it is false that the Quran, holy book for Muslims, encourages Muslims to hate Jews.
They responded by posting another advertisement refuting the original ads placed by a group led by anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller.
“We normally ignore provocation of this nature because she (Geller) has been, along with other organisations, involved in propaganda against Muslims and Islam in the US,” said Nihad Awad, National Executive Director of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations).
But, “when their campaign tried to influence the public opinion with false information, then we have to counter that with accurate information about Islam and Muslims,” Awad added in an interview with Gulf News.
“Therefore, our message that is going on buses (from Wednesday morning) in D.C., is an inclusive, interfaith message. It helps the public learn about the Quran from the Quran itself,” Awad said.
While this particular campaign costs $41,000 (Dh113,888), CAIR has a larger campaign of $157,000, comprising several series to counter the propaganda about Islam in the US.
Also, CAIR plans to re-launch another campaign to distribute copies of Quran translated to English to anybody interested from the public.
Earlier, nearly 80,000 copies were distributed, “so the public has access to authentic formation about Islam,” Awad said.
Asked whether they plan to take another step, Awad replied “in the US, the first amendment (of the constitution) guaranteeing every one the freedom to speak, even to speak hatred. That is one reality we live,” Awad said.
“This is a distortion to facts and exploitation to history,” commented Mohammad Ghuneim, a veteran former Arab-American broadcast journalist on the ad, in an interview with Gulf News.
The ad’s declaration that two-thirds of the US aid go to Islamic countries is not true. Israel is the biggest beneficiary of US aid with nearly $11 billion a year, he said.
As for the picture in the ad of Adolf Hitler sitting next to the late Palestinian religious and revolutionary leader Haj Ameen Al Husseini, Ghuneim commented since “everybody is against Nazism, they are trying to relate Islam to Nazism,”.
Al Husseini, who was the Mufti of Palestine under the British mandate, was one of the main leaders in the Palestinian revolution in the thirties of the last century. Al Husseini was sentenced to death by the British colonial authorities, but managed to escape and travelled to Germany in 1939.
“Al Husseini was not a supporter to Nazism. It (Germany) was the only place he could resort to escaping the British pursuit,” he said.
Awad believes that those behind the provocative ad “are trying to spread false information about Islam and Muslims… These are experts in misinformation so the public will be confused.”
However, many non-Muslims criticised the campaign as hateful and prejudice, including some Jewish religious leaders.
Rabbi Rachel Gartner, board member of the T’ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights posted a response to the provocative bus ad.
“As an American, I insist on the right to free speech, even when I deplore the message. As a rabbi, I insist on the responsibility to speak out against hateful speech, particularly when it comes from one of our own,” she said in her article posted on the Huffington Post website.
“Ms. Geller, here’s what I have to say. If you have a political statement to make: first , check that it’s not actually hate speech in political garb. Secondly. Keep the Quran out of it. Unless you also want to reference suras like this one (there are many): “Indeed, I, God, sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light, and the prophets judged by it, as did the rabbis and scholars.” (Quran 5:44). Thirdly, be righteous in the way you engage religious texts -- others’ and our own -- in all contexts.”
Those poor Muzzies. They have every right to be angry.
I guess they’ll just have to wait until that bus is full of passengers and then blow it up and kill everyone.
That’ll teach people not to insult the Islamists.
Resorting to facts is seen as particularly odious when the topic is islam
Vicious truthing.
And, by the way:
“Ms. Geller, here’s what I have to say. If you have a political statement to make: first , check that it’s not actually hate speech in political garb....”
Do you see how they have brainwashed everyone?
Just for the record...
“Hate” speech IS free speech.
The freedom of speech gives us the right to say whatever we want, ESPECIALLY that which may offend people.
Is it “free speech” if we can only say that which no one may find offensive.
This is the part that offends me.
Islam isn’t a religion. It’s a murderous, thinly disguised totalitarian political system.
And one last point:
“Ms. Geller, here’s what I have to say. If you have a political statement to make: first , check that it’s not actually hate speech in political garb. Secondly. Keep the Quran out of it. Unless you also want to reference suras like this one (there are many): “Indeed, I, God, sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light, and the prophets judged by it, as did the rabbis and scholars.” (Quran 5:44). Thirdly, be righteous in the way you engage religious texts — others’ and our own — in all contexts.”
How deceitful of the ‘good’ Rabbi.
I’m sure she knows that the Koran employs the system of abrogation.
What this means is that what is written later in time preempts what was written previously.
If an early Sura stated something like Do not kill infidels.
And the next day a new prophet wrote, Kill infidels.
According to the Koran, all Muslims must follow the latter and the earlier is completely irrelevant.
This system was set up by a MAN for two reasons:
1. It allows the document to cover all bases so that, if anyone points to one line and condemns it, a defender can point to another line that contradicts the first to defend the system.
2. It allows the religion to adapt to historical and societal changes.
Does anyone believe that the word of God would commit two such blatant fallacies and still call itself “truth”?
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. Sura 5:51 (Yusuf Ali)
They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Sura 4:89 (Shakir)
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 2:190-192 (Pickthal)
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. 2:193 (Pickthal)
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). 8:38 (Yusuf Ali)
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do. 8:39 (Pickthal)
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. 4:76 (Yusuf Ali)
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter... 5:33 (Yusuf Ali)
And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 9:3-5 (Yusuf Ali)
But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. '
But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained. 9:11,12 (Yusuf Ali)
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque...Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 9:28,29 (Yusuf Ali)
O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. 9:73 (Pickthal)
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). 9:123 (Pickthal)
Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. 47:4 (Pickthal)
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While many sincere Muslims disagree,13 "War against Allah" can be understood to be non-submission to Islam and the active practice of other religions, especially Judaism and Christianity (Sura 8:39,40); thus the justification of violence against them by fundamental Islam, especially when it rules the land. Islamic scholar Aga Mahdi Puya is quoted as stating, "Waging war against Allah and his Prophet means hostility against his chosen representatives, or deviation from his laws by overstepping the boundaries laid down by Him.. or attempts to undermine the cause of Islam and the overall interests of the Muslims." Many commands are given to fight against unbelievers, with 1 in every 55 verses in the Muslim Qur'an consisting of exhortations to make war on unbelievers. Though such usually seem to be in the context of opposition by unbelievers, such exhortations to physically suppress and retaliate are another example of the constant contradictions of the Qur'an with the actual words of Christ, who commanded just the opposite of retaliation and conquest by the sword of men. While many sincere Muslims disagree with those who support violence Jihad, and can provide a few brief quotes advocating tolerance from Muhammad's pre-Medenic suras, which were written in Mecca where he became the was a minority. Initially when he was weak (before Medina) he allowed more of peaceful co-existence by ways of treaties, etc., but when he gained power he progressively sought to enlarge his kingdom by force. History thus indicates that Muhammad's theology adapted to his needs, and sura 2.106 states, “None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” (Yusuf Ali) In addition, the Qur'an, unlike the Bible, lacks the context, cohesiveness and consistency to yield a clear and substantiated exegesis that would prevent an ideology of world conquest by the sword, and at worst such commands as to fight until the only worship be of Allah (2:193; 8:39) may easily be used to justify world - wide physical Jihad, such as we see more of today. Oppressing or making war against Islam can easily be understood to include ideological opposition. Despite the cry of western Muslim clerics who dispute that Islam promotes religious violence, in studying the Qur'an and the practices of Islam it is grammatically, historically, and contextually evident that these exhortations to "Jihad" cannot be relegated to simply spiritual applications, but that the meaning of such Qur'anic exhortations to fighting and violence can easily and often be applied to physical Jihad, and even be extended against ideological opposition, as defined by Islam. The affirmation of the Pact of Umar, as well as advocation of Sharia law by many Muslims, evidences the manner of subjection that non-Muslims who are not killed in Islamic “holy wars” may expect if their countries are conquered by Islam. This is daily seen in every country or area where orthodox Muslims are in control. Even in a moderate Muslim country like Egypt, churches cannot be repaired or built without the express permission of the head of Egypt (rarely given), and conversion to Christianity is against the law. Meanwhile Bib Laden-type Muslims would war even against other Islamic counties that do not rightly practice Islam. The cruelest meaning of Islamic submission is too often manifest: the suppression by force of all that is actively contrary to Islam, rather than being able to persuade souls by spiritual means to seek the truth, and believe and obey it. The former means would only be permissible if it was within a theocracy that was clearly substantiated as ordained by God, as it was in the days of Moses. (Dt. 13; 17) In that dispensation the LORD had indeed ordained a theocracy, so that the religious powers also were empowered to rule as the civil power. However, Islam utterly fails the Biblical criteria for such ordination. For whereas the LORD provided abundant, consistent and powerfully evident Divine attestation for Moses and those that followed - insomuch as they overall obeyed God - so that there could be no real doubt that the LORD had ordained Moses and the Theocracy that God established, the same has not been the case with Muhammad and his faithful followers. For whereas the Law was given to Moses in fearfully evident ways (Ex. 20:18, 19), and those who opposed him were dealt supernatural punishments (such as being struck with leprosy, or the ground swallowing them up, etc.: Num. 12:1-14; 16:1-34), Muhammad could only claim that God gave him revelations, and those who opposed were dealt with after the manner of men. In addition, Moses and Joshua, and faithful others (such as Gideon and Hezekiah) saw the LORD work mighty victories (such as the angel of the Lord slaying 144,000 enemies), and which were simply impossible any other way. In contrast, outside of a few notable military victories in its rapid expansion, and which “can be attributed to the weakness of its enemies,14 Islam historically has not seen the manner of Divine attestation that the God - ordained Theocracy of Moses, etc. saw as they obeyed God. If Islam were the true religion, and an extension of Biblical religion, and it's religious violence was sanctioned by God (which it must be), then we would have seen like evident, Mosaic - type Divine attestation, that would have long ago subdued it's enemies - without having to resort to suicide bombers. Islam's excuse for this lack of Divine attestation cannot be that the fault is simply with unfaithful leaders, as there have been many faithful ones. Indeed, if the hand of God has been evident even in conventional battles, it has often been against Islam, and in favor is Israel and other nations. Israel, which lost it's land, as God warned, (Dt. 28) due to continued disobedience, and which land finally became Britain's, and who gave them a portion of it back, is seen by Islam as those who drove them forth from their houses. Yet it was not their land historically, and it was Islamic nations who attack the infant Israeli nation, who, though being vastly out numbered, defeated their attackers, resulting in the loss of Arabic communities (who reportedly were told by their Muslim brethren to flee their homes until the Arabs' were victorious). Most Arabic nations refuse to absorb Palestinian refugees, for mostly political purposes, while seeking the total destruction of Israel. While Israel has given back almost all the land it won in subsequent Islamic - initiated wars, yet Islamic nations remain almost universally opposed to Israel's existence, and many declare Jihad against America due to her rightful friendship with Israel (who has a historic right to the land, even though it's troubles are a continued chastisement because of their hardness of heart against their Messiah Jesus). This issue is related to the above, for if Islam is the true religion, then according to it's own doctrine it would not have been under British rule in the first place, nor lost all it's wars against Israel. Nor will any victories against the post - Christian, and increasingly decadent west attest to her claims (it is too late for that), any more than Babylon's defeat of Israel by conventional means long ago proved it's religion superior. The Bible declares that the wicked are God's sword in judgment (Ps. 17:3). But God will in fact judge such for their excess cruelty (Zec. 1:15). Conclusion In the light of Muhammad's constant admonitions to physical violence and blood shed in retaliation for wrongs and in furthering Islamic rule, and his actions in doing so, it can be considered inconsistent for a true Muslim to not practice such as need may be, after the manner of their father (Jn. 8:44). This includes promoting violence and the suppression of those who will not worship according to the dictates of Islam in their countries, but who instead actively practice a faith contrary to that of the Qur'an - primarily Jews and Christians. Fortunately, most Muslims do not obey such injunctions according to their original intended literal meanings, but instead spiritualize such away – contrary to Muhammad's often provided exhortations and example. In contrast to Islam, it is impossible for a true Bible-believing Christian to practice physical violence or coercion in bringing souls to yield to the Only Lord and Savior, JESUS CHRIST, in the true light of His Biblical Gospel. To do so represents either ignorance concerning both the clear statements in this regard, or the willful wresting of the same from their respective contexts cf. (2Pt. 3:16). It is exceeding clear that the new covenant disallows waging "war after the flesh" (2Cor.10:3) in promoting or defending the spiritual kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ in this age of grace (Jn.18:36; Eph.6:12). In conclusion, comparison with their Bible and its history reveals that Islam is not ordained by God as the true religion, nor is it's religious violence sanctioned by Him as if it were His Theocracy. Instead, Islam is an amalgamation of 7th century mysticism, Judaism, and Christianity. Which, like it's 7th century founder, seeks to use the sword of men to subdue it's enemies. Though in some respects it may be more viable than some pagan religions (insomuch as it contains some degree of Biblical morality and principles) yet it misconstrues the nature, character and will of the Living and True God of the Bible, and leads souls to damnation rather than Paradise, as they reject the Jesus of the Bible, and the ultimate sacrifice the LORD made for us, even His death and resurrection on our behalf. These rather bold but true statements are designed to help one to better perceive the stark reality of evil - even in the form of religion - and to therefore turn from sin to the Lord Jesus. It was He Himself that was the object of the wrath of such religion, but Who laid down His life as the only perfect and acceptable payment for our sins. And being risen to glory, He is "able to save them to the uttermost that come unto GOD by Him" (Heb.7:25). He did not promote the shedding of blood to further His kingdom, but instead His shed His own to pay for all mankind's sins. So that by “repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21) whosoever will come may be saved. Praise ye the Lord! |
In other news, the state of Isis within Iraq declare certain mandatory amputations and women should stay indoors.
TOUGH NOOGIES!!!!!!
As a nativist, Mohammedans need not reside here.
How dare you resort to truth! You are obviously a bigot — against falsehood.
How dare you resort to truth! You are obviously a bigot — against falsehood.
BTTT, TY so much for this information.
kick ass and take names Pamela !
Rabbi Rachel Gartner - a typical member of the SoS
But it’s okay to have pro-Palestinian ads on buses.
One, it's full of animals.
Two it changes daily.
Allsome Animals are more Equal than others.
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