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Penalty for flying the 'Betsy Ross' flag sets off star-spangled fight
FoxNews ^ | June 15, 2014 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 06/15/2014 7:55:09 PM PDT by WhiskeyX

David Renner says he is facing a $200 fine for flying a Betsy Ross flag outside his townhouse in Littleton, Colo.

Renner tells Fox31 in Denver that he was issued the fine by his homeowner’s association for flying the flag last week ahead of Flag Day, June 14.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: betsyross; flagday
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1 posted on 06/15/2014 7:55:09 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

I would send them an unsigned check written in my own fecal matter.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 7:57:44 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

HOAs are a pox on the nation. From experience, I’d rather have a neighbor with a rusting car in his yard than an HOA. The guy with the rusting car WILL be a better neighbor, even if he has an eyesore in his yard.


3 posted on 06/15/2014 8:01:16 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole

He’ll probably fix your car for a few beers. Or Coca-Colas if he teetotals.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 8:05:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: MediaMole
I would agree with you, but in this case the guy sounds like he's just looking for trouble. He had previously been warned and then fined for flying a Gadsden flag and a state flag.

I don't like HOAs at all, and I'd never own a home in one of them. But in this case they really don't have any choice except to uphold the letter of the law. If they give any latitude to someone who wants to fly their own flag, then they'll have no recourse when the next guy wants to fly a Nazi flag or an Islamic flag.

5 posted on 06/15/2014 8:05:08 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

My neighbor is known as the “enforcer” for our homeowner’s association.

I just was walling my property line and realized that his patio and retaining wall are “on my property” and not ten feet back per the code. He will get the legal notice if he gives me trouble again.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 8:08:41 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: WhiskeyX

Fly a rainbow flag and the EXACT same peevish held will cower... or high five.


7 posted on 06/15/2014 8:08:41 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: tired&retired

walling = walking


8 posted on 06/15/2014 8:09:24 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Alberta's Child

We can make exceptions for American flags and other positive Americana. There is no need for holding people to the letter of the HOA law. Then, we can use common sense when someone attempts to fly a nazi or communist flag.


9 posted on 06/15/2014 8:10:40 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t see any reason why they would put up any ordinance about the type of flag anyone would fly. I could see one about the size of flag or even the height of a pole or the number of flags or decorations allowed at a time.

The fact that a person could put out a Nazi or Islamist flag only allows for the neighbors to know who they are dealing with. A person flying one of those flags may be run off toot sweet and the investigation would more than likely be handled in the proper way, poorly.


10 posted on 06/15/2014 8:11:36 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: WhiskeyX

I assume he was not forced at gunpoint to live there.

Rules are rules——you don’t like them go elsewhere.

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11 posted on 06/15/2014 8:13:26 PM PDT by Mears
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To: AlmaKing

Then have the owners approve the exceptions and write these changes into the bylaws. I’ve had enough experience with legal and financial matters in condo associations to know how this sort of thing works. Trust me — you’d much rather have a board that seems excessive in its enforcement than one that is completely apathetic.


12 posted on 06/15/2014 8:18:03 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Mears

“Rules are rules——you don’t like them go elsewhere.”

The HOA laws cannot supercede the 2005 Federal law permitting the display of the U.S. Flag, and the dispute is over the question of whether or not the Betsey Ross Flag with 13 Stars and 13 Stripes qualifies as a U.S. Flag protected by the 2005 Federal law.


13 posted on 06/15/2014 8:18:48 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Mears

Exactly.


14 posted on 06/15/2014 8:19:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: WhiskeyX

This guy should be careful before he makes a Federal case out of this sort of idiocy. That entire 2005 Federal law may not stand up to constitutional scrutiny.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 8:20:28 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: WhiskeyX

Well, if he was flying a gay flag. no one would say a thing.
Or one of those Obama flags...Or a marijuana flag.....


16 posted on 06/15/2014 8:22:19 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: MediaMole

Hey, what’s your problem with my car?


17 posted on 06/15/2014 8:29:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: WhiskeyX

Hate to agree with the HOA on this but you’re only supposed to fly the current flag.


18 posted on 06/15/2014 8:30:03 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Alberta's Child

Because it would be SO HARD to write a regulation allowing any
US national flag from history, state flag or Revolutionary war flag.
Right?


19 posted on 06/15/2014 8:33:21 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: baddog 219

I fly all sorts of flags: naval dont tread on me, army, 20th maine, gadsen. I have to explain the history to my neighbors. If i could find a confederate rgt flag i liked i would fly that.


20 posted on 06/15/2014 8:33:23 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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