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Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' gun law
tulsaworld.com ^ | 06/16/2014 | AP

Posted on 06/16/2014 9:51:05 AM PDT by aimhigh

A divided Supreme Court sided with gun control groups and the Obama administration Monday, ruling that the federal ban on "straw" purchases of guns can be enforced even if the ultimate buyer is legally allowed to own a gun.

The justices ruled 5-4 that the law applied to a Virginia man who bought a gun with the intention of transferring it to a relative in Pennsylvania who was not prohibited from owning firearms.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; scotus; straw; strawpurchases; supremecourt
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To: fulltlt
It's good to lie to tyrants. It's also good to ignore or get around their tyrannical laws.

/johnny

21 posted on 06/16/2014 9:59:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GraceG

He voted with the 4. Kennedy joined the majority.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 9:59:53 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: taxcontrol
So I interpret this as no more giving guns as a gift.

Right. The Long March to total gun control continues.

One more avenue of exercising your Natural Right to Self-Defense closed off by our masters in government.

23 posted on 06/16/2014 10:00:53 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim)
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To: aimhigh

Justice Kagan essentially says that gun registration is Constitutional and 4 other justices agreed with her. Not good.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 10:00:53 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: aimhigh

How do you prove INTENT? And where is the constitutional authority? I will not comply.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 10:01:49 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What got him in trouble is his uncle had asked him to buy the gun for him and then wrote him a check for $400 with “Glock 19 handgun” written in the memo line.


26 posted on 06/16/2014 10:01:58 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: aimhigh
A "straw purchase" is usually connoted as a purchase for resale, not for a gift. Were it interpreted the latter way no giving of firearms would be legal, even that which is explicitly allowed by current law.

I'll be waiting for government clarification before I give any firearms away. Not.

27 posted on 06/16/2014 10:02:21 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: aimhigh
This is just more proof we have our Second Amendment rights only as long as five of nine Supreme Court Justices agree we have these rights.
29 posted on 06/16/2014 10:04:55 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: aimhigh

How about the legality of a straw government?


30 posted on 06/16/2014 10:05:31 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free armband.)
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To: F15Eagle
And so the 2008 and 2012 election consequences continue.

According to many on this forum, not so - no difference at all between Obama and the two Republican candidates

31 posted on 06/16/2014 10:06:25 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: grobdriver; taxcontrol

“So I interpret this as no more giving guns as a gift.”
“So firearms for Christmas is out?”


Looks like it.

My question is what if I jump through all the legal hoops (4473, etc.) and buy a gun, then two weeks later want to upgrade and need to sell it?

Does that make me a ‘straw purchaser’?


32 posted on 06/16/2014 10:06:28 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: grobdriver
And they knew this how? Either they are mind readers, or the fellow was... um... unwise, in stating so.

From the article: "The case began after Bruce James Abramski, Jr. bought a Glock 19 handgun in Collinsville, Virginia, in 2009 and later transferred it to his uncle in Easton, Pennsylvania. Abramski, a former police officer, had assured the Virginia dealer he was the "actual buyer" of the weapon even though he had already offered to buy the gun for his uncle using a police discount. Abramski purchased the gun three days after his uncle had written him a check for $400 with "Glock 19 handgun" written in the memo line."

33 posted on 06/16/2014 10:06:34 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: DJ Taylor
My right to keep and bear arms is not conditioned on anything any court may rule, or any laws that may be passed.

My right came from God, and no court can take it away. The most they can do is kill me.

/johnny

34 posted on 06/16/2014 10:07:26 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ReaganÃœberAlles; All

That part is vague in its enforcement...It is difficult to know where the guns go after the walk out of the store...

I would not go so far as to advocate a lie...

I too would like to see the breakdown of where they fell on this opinion...And, who swung it against us...


35 posted on 06/16/2014 10:07:32 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: aimhigh

Could have some weight if “Fast and Furious” felons ever get prosecuted.


36 posted on 06/16/2014 10:07:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: fulltlt

Stoopid is, as stooped does...


37 posted on 06/16/2014 10:08:20 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: All

the breakdown:

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Writing for the majority, Justice Elena Kagan said the federal government’s elaborate system of background checks and record-keeping requirements help law enforcement investigate crimes by tracing guns to their buyers. Those provisions would mean little, she said, if a would-be gun buyer could evade them by simply getting another person to buy the gun and fill out the paperwork.

Kagan’s opinion was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is often considered the court’s swing vote, as well as liberal Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.

In dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the language of the law does not support making it a crime for one lawful gun owner to buy a gun for another lawful gun owner. He was joined by the court’s other conservatives — Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 10:10:36 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: fulltlt

oops

The correct way to do this is for the gun to be a gift and the $400 to be in cash...

...or if a check must be used, the memo line should read: “My share of dinner & drinks - it was good to see you all” (or something similar).


40 posted on 06/16/2014 10:10:59 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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