Posted on 06/20/2014 9:09:11 AM PDT by airedale
We know that Lois Lerner' s computer crashed at some time and per this morning it was just before "she learned of the rogue agents in Cincinnati." Since she was a fairly high level employee whose job required travel did she have a laptop? The way they describe their email system (not the way most systems work) not only would the desktop which crashed have a complete copy of all e-mails both incoming and outgoing so would the laptop. If she did have a laptop did it crash as well; did the agency give it to another employee at some point after wiping the hard drive? Did they dispose of it?
In relation to letters/subpoenas from Congress when did the agency dispose of the hard drive? Who specifically handled it and authorized its disposal? Same with the laptop if it isn't available.
While the emails may be missing aren't there records of what emails were sent and received by Lerner including who sent them?
Since her computer supposedly crashed and theY couldn't restore all of the emails, but keep 6months of backup did they restore from those backup tapes? Where in the schedule of the backup was the IRS? If it happened in the 5th month of the cycle they would have the current 5 months plus the prior 6 months on the backup tape. Have those emails been provided since they would cover a critical period. If it occurred in the 1st month of a cycle they'd have that month plus the last 6 months. So you should have had the last 7-11 months of emails before the crash that they would have been able to restlessness normal conditions. If the didn't why not and who made that decision and who approved it. They would need to be questioned under oath.
Exactly right. Any large entity has an email server that should be backed up daily and cuts of that backup are sent to various locations on a weekly, monthly and quarterly basis. I can go to any computer and access my corporate emails via a web interface even though I also have a copy of them already downloaded on my desktop. Why, because the email server keeps copies ... and don’t tell me the NSA has not scarfed down the emails somewhere as well. Why no one has brought this up in congress is beyond me.
1. An Email is between TWO OR MORE people!..That means TWO OR MORE drives have the email..the sender and receiver End-user PC!
2. The end-user PC get backed up ..So there are back up of those PCs
3. The End-use PC to not sent directly to each other..else both sender and all receiver would have to be on line at the same time...your “send” email goes to a server for your email account...that email server sends in to the server for the receiver email account..and when the receiver PC come on line is asks it own email server for any email for it....and both those email servers get backed up.
..bottom line its total bs..if your local pc hd crashing would wipe out your email that would mean you could delete that same email on your local pc and have it gone forever...it does not work that way..in both in good IT practice and by what the government is required by law to document all communication
Would she have been stupid enough to plot and plan on government computers and email accounts. Maybe these are red herrings.
What personal email accounts were there of all involved and where are those records.
Also, it’s impossible to believe that aren’t back ups somewhere.
Subpeona the IT dept and any outside contractors who worked on equipment. Even if the hard drive crashed, there was data on those hard drives which was retrievable.
Time for jail.
Low-us unlearned not only pled the 5th but now we have tampering with the evidence. Where there’s fire there is smoke. Simply OUTRAGEOUS if they get away with this fraud.
Neither pink tie Boner nor Darrell Eyesore has the stones to bring the hammer down on her or the IRS. Just another committee tongue lashing and fake outrage is all we will get from the dog and pony show.
If only Nixon had used his email instead.
Anybody who uses email at work knows that once you start an email chain it grows and grows. There must be people who were :cced on these emails that their PCs didn’t self destruct. Plus emails are stored on the email server. Did they all melt down also?
And impound their hard drives and then do the same for everyone on THEIR distribution lists. Maybe with luck it would cause the IRS to seize up......
We did where I worked due.
What bothers me almost more is that the people writing legislation for electronic privacy and security don't seem to have a clue - or the guts - to say the "excuse" is BS
I’ve decided the hearings are nothing more than kabuki theater. There’s no real interest to get the data.
“I run IT for several state agencies and the bs that “we lost the emails” is just that!”
I guess my next question, then, is how can the congress people investigating this be so incompetent that they don’t know that and challenge the bs lies. You would think they’d consult IT specialists if they really wanted to get to the bottom.
On your last point I have an option with my email account to either leave it on the server when it’s downloaded to my computer or delete it. If I choose to have it deleted from Google’s server the only place it’s supposed to exist is on my computer and if I delete it it’s gone (yes Out can be recovered with special software provided extraordinary efforts were taken). Now I know Google still probably has a copy in their backups, but I don’t have acess to it. If the server data is wiped every 6 months as the IRS claims then it’s gone. I don’t believe the IRS claim.
The laptop s opposed to the Blackberry would have emails if used forwork and not wiped. The Blackberry is very different. I don’t know how the Blackberry servers work and if they would have a copy of all emails or only the ones she accessed using the Blackberry.
It bothers me that they haven't questioned the disaster recovery plan because it's a no-brainer. Is the IRS trying to say that in a disaster they would just lose all their data, oops? And surely they're not trying to say that the email server was excluded. Disaster recovery is to restore the entire system, end of story. Worries me that our guys are just putting on a show and don't really want to get to the bottom of it.
This makes no sense, you don’t store email on personal computers, unless the user elects to store them for personal reference on their hard drive. The email is stored on a server, and should be backed up in case of drive failure. For DoD, I can speak from experience that Email is stored on a network of central servers that are backed up very frequently and in multiple copies.
(so besides that fact that delete action all ready has to touch two drives, so a one drive crash would not cause)... But your delete on your computer and your email server still does not touch the receivers email server and the receivers pc...so two copy still left you have no way to touch and delete
In the minimum path for an email.. it must touch and be copy to 4, that is 4 hard drives...your sending pc hard drive, your email server hard drive, the receiving email server hard drive, and the receiving pc hard drive
that not counting backup that should be done on all 4 drives..so that 8 hd now....and that not factoring in that the email server should be in raid config..(2 or more drives mirroring each other for real time redundancy should one crash).
then we have final issues the government is required by law to to make copy of emails and store..not for the iT reason we just went over...but for legal documentation ..that a separate system.
The only technical reason I can see these emails being gone is they must of had the Democrat flag bit set in the header..
if the Republican flag bit was set they would of been auto archived to 20 backup server, the DNC, the NY Times and the Washington Post
In the hearing today with t he Archivists the attorney who worked at both the IRS and White House indicated that it was Lerner’ s laptop that crashed. That means she moved or created all the emails to outside agencies on that laptop and deleted them from her desktop or prevented them from getting on the hard disk.
They also said they encrypt their files. So that would mean that the hard drive that crashed would probably be encrypted. Probably so m etching ancient based upon the state of the rest of their systems. I don’t know enough about recovery of material from an.encrypted hard drive especially in critical sectors to the encryption, but that could complicate recovery. That said it would be a standardized encryption which they would know well and be able to recreate most of it. Now if they didn’t have her correct passwords that could be a real problem.
What kind of backup does Blackberry have separate from the Federal Government or IRS?
Does the IRS have a special contract with Blackberry what does it say about back up?
Have all the Blackberry emails been delivered to the various committees or didn’t they bother to look?
Were any of the Blackberry msgs erased or attempts made to delete them after the investigations and lawsuits were started? Who did it?
Even if they were deleted and it’s been a long time does Blackberry still have them in their backup system? Should they still have them or did something happen to them?
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