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Polish foreign minister says country's alliance with US worthless
The Guardian ^ | 6/22/14 | NA

Posted on 06/22/2014 7:18:00 AM PDT by mgist

Polish foreign minister says country's alliance with US worthless Polish magazine says it has recordings of conversation in which Radek Sikorski says strong alliance with US 'harmful' Sikorski has been an outspoken critic of the Kremlin and has strongly criticised Russian actions in Ukraine this year. A Polish magazine said on Sunday it had obtained recordings of a conversation in which the country's foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, says the country's strong alliance with the US “isn't worth anything” and is “even harmful because it creates a false sense of security”. In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the US bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-US alliance alienates the Russians and Germans. There has been no official confirmation that it is Sikorski who speaks in the conversation.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: obama; poland; worthless

1 posted on 06/22/2014 7:18:00 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

Sounds like he’s just telling it like it is.


2 posted on 06/22/2014 7:19:43 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: mgist

Sad but true. Sorry, Poles, many of us don’t like it any better than you do,


3 posted on 06/22/2014 7:25:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: mgist

America’s alliance with the US is useless while that is controlled by the Obama administration. And Poland is across a big ocean.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:09 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: mgist

Unfortunately it is the conclusion that most foreign leaders have made. Currently American foreign policy is being made by a cabal of left wing, petulant graduate students with predictable outcomes.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:44 AM PDT by allendale
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To: mgist

Even our oldest ally is leaving us. Thanks A*Obama


6 posted on 06/22/2014 7:30:32 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: mgist

How embarrassing to America, but the Poles deal with the world as it is, not as they wish it to be. I think Biden was just in Poland last week. His conduct was probably so weak and ridiculous, they were forced to reach this conclusion.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 7:35:17 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: mgist

Sad to say, but he’s right. To Poland I would say you have my support but I’m just an average Pittsburgh Hunky who did not vote for Barky in the White Hut and I’m just as upset as Poland.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: mgist

Well, obviously, he is just being racist. [/s]


9 posted on 06/22/2014 7:36:23 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: mgist

Uh, duh.


10 posted on 06/22/2014 7:37:25 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Mogger

Yep. A couple of years ago the U.S. pressured Ukraine to give up some big weapons in exchange for the U.S. to help them fend off Russia if ever necessary. So much for that.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 7:38:38 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: lee martell
and is “even harmful because it creates a false sense of security”.

This is also the case with NATO. 28 nations with the theater of security, but no one (except the USA) actually spending anything on it

12 posted on 06/22/2014 7:39:23 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: mgist

Any country that thinks that the United States will come to their defence while “The Kenyan” is President has a false sense of security.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 7:41:35 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: mgist

He’s right. Hard to blame any foreign country for wanting to distance itself from Obama’s America. Between being an unreliable strategic partner, and having as its primary global agenda the promotion of faggotry, its easy to see America as being noxiously unwelcome.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:03 AM PDT by greene66
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To: greene66

Another one bites the dust. When will the people wake up tot he fact Odumbo is a loser?


15 posted on 06/22/2014 7:49:23 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: greene66

Another one bites the dust. When will the people wake up tot he fact Odumbo is a loser?


16 posted on 06/22/2014 7:49:24 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: mgist

Well, our President is below worthless so can see where he would thnk that. Lots more damage coming from the Manchurian candidate before 2016.


17 posted on 06/22/2014 7:52:34 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: mgist

Submit to Islam and obama will ensure; you are treated very well...


18 posted on 06/22/2014 7:58:34 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: P.O.E.

Our oldest ally is France.


19 posted on 06/22/2014 7:58:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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Well he is speaking the truth , with Obongo as president usa alliance is utterly worthless


20 posted on 06/22/2014 8:04:44 AM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: mgist

Poland’s FM is correct. America’s word to any nation is worthless as long as Barack “Dear Leader” Obamination occupies the White Hut. His administration is staffed buy the most feeble and inept foreign policy wonks since the days of Jimmy Carter. Hillay Clinton, John Kerry, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett doing foreign policy? That’s like giving a 5-year old a loaded pistol to play with.


21 posted on 06/22/2014 8:09:39 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: mgist

World leaders are hep to Obama - it’s only the American news media that credit him with sufficient gray cells to fill a thimble and/or sufficient spine to raise sail on a bath tub boat.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 8:21:04 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: mgist

When Obama licks the boots of Vladimir Putin, and only tells him “we don’t like what you did in Ukraine, now lets get back to business as usual,” the Poles have something to be worried about.


23 posted on 06/22/2014 8:31:58 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: mgist

He reads Obama like a book , worthless


24 posted on 06/22/2014 8:37:02 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Sherman Logan; P.O.E.
Our oldest ally is France.

True. But a tip of the hat to Polish officers Casimir Pulaski and Tadeusz Kościuszko. Both were fighting with Washington by 1777.

Pulaski is even credited with leading a cavalry charge that saved Washington from capture during the Battle of Brandywine.

I suppose that even as we speak Obama is trying to erase those facts from the Library of Congress. No nation or peoples must be allowed to insult the boy-king.

25 posted on 06/22/2014 8:58:36 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: mgist

Too white. Too Catholic.


26 posted on 06/22/2014 9:00:19 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: mgist

Yep, bambi would let Russia overrun Europe with only a stern word and threats of sanctions. Maybe move a carrier closer.


27 posted on 06/22/2014 9:06:25 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: mgist

Unless everyone in Poland is queer he is probably correct!


28 posted on 06/22/2014 9:12:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: vpintheak
Yep, bambi would let Russia overrun Europe with only a stern word and threats of sanctions. Maybe move a carrier closer.

you got that right.

He'd draw so many red lines they'd look like the ties of the Siberian Express train.

29 posted on 06/22/2014 9:16:27 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: mgist

And we americans feel the same way.


30 posted on 06/22/2014 9:18:03 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: DaveA37

“When will the people wake up tot he fact Odumbo is a loser?”

When their world is crashing down in flames all around them.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 9:26:24 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Leaning Right

No derogation intended to the great Polish fighters for freedom.

However, it should noted that during our Revolution Poland had already been subjected to the first of the Partitions that eventually destroyed it (temporarily) as a nation.

The Poles who joined us were there as individuals, not as representative of their nation or government.


32 posted on 06/22/2014 9:38:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: mgist; snippy_about_it; dfwgator; All
Sikorski, like all other Civic Platform officials, are merely interested in power-that-be and nothing else. In private, they regularly use vulgar dirty words and speak their minds as if they are gangsters, not ministers of the govt, etc.

However, in that particular case he's absolutely right. USA has done a huge, just tremendous job to turn the most America loving nation in the world into, at best, skeptics. What Ronald Reagan (to whom we erect monuments in Poland) did for Poland's independence, democrats like Clinton or Obama pushed into oblivion.

To my generation, born in the 60s, which remember the evil Soviet Empire, remember the communist yoke and horror, America was the only hope that one day communist nightmare would end, and Ronaldus Magnus did it.

Now, the generation of my sons, which was born in free Poland do not share the emotions we had, do not remember the terror of the communist police, etc. To them America is just like others, or even less as it's far far away across the ocean, etc.

I dare say, in early 90s, actually after 1992 when the first Polish fully free anticommunist govt of Jan Olszewski was established, America could, naturally metaphorically speaking, change Poland into the most American state of all, based on real feeling of devotion.

To my regret, what REPUBLICANS did, democRats f...d up irretrievably(the dirty word used on purpose to express emotions).

33 posted on 06/22/2014 12:22:54 PM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

Today we have Islamic Revolutionaries burning villages and killing Christians. The Middle East has millions of disenfranchised people, with no purpose and the criminal cartel offer them a sense of purpose with the IslamistmMovement. It seems Mohamed’s teaching can rationalize murder as Marxist did as a means to an end. The media makes them into a hero monsters, and here we go all over again.

The drug legalization campaign is making drugs cool again, except this time pure, cheap, Afghan heroin is flooding markets.

The more thing change, the more things stay the same.


34 posted on 06/22/2014 2:44:53 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

Not good.


35 posted on 06/22/2014 3:16:17 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: mgist

Islamists? Jihad?
See this video and see what Poland did in the past and what the world owes to my country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8_A8irSDTk

Actually, up till now Poland has been the only European coutry free from Islam. A several thousands of Muhammadans in my country are simply so insignificant that can’t be called even a minority.

Perhaps (I hope so) you will come to conclusion that you have never had more natural and more understanding friends than the Polish.

But then again, times change, people change.


36 posted on 06/22/2014 3:37:56 PM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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