Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

"It's Not a War on Women, It's a Massacre of the Unborn"
TOWNHALL ^ | 6/26/2014 | Cortney O'Brien

Posted on 06/28/2014 8:31:48 AM PDT by Dqban22

"It's Not a War on Women, It's a Massacre of the Unborn"

By Cortney O'Brien

Townhall 6/26/2014

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/06/26/its-not-a-war-on-women-its-a-massacre-of-the-unborn-n1856164/print

This week I'm in Louisville, Ky. reporting from the 44th annual National Right to Life convention, where over 1,000 enthusiastic pro-lifers young and old have gathered to hear lifesaving truths and to gain materials they need to spread a pro-life message. The first session of this year's conference began by exposing the left's engineered "war on women."

As she introduced the panelists for "The REAL War on Women," NRLC President Carol Tobias offered a simple summary for what pro-abortion advocates believe: "If you think unborn children should be protected, you're against women." That's where the well-informed panelists came in.

Kathryn Lopez, the editor-at-large for National Review Online and a columnist for Townhall, solemnly remarked that 12 women went into an abortion clinic next to the conference hotel today, noting they "just needed someone to tell them they're there."

"So many women feel they have to have an abortion, that they have no choice. The narrative is we're taking away women's rights. I try not to entertain that narrative anymore."

Dr. Jean Garton, the founder of Lutherans for Life, told the crowd the truth about the link between abortion and health care.

"I believe it's a war on information, facts and truth. There's a different word for it: self factualization. The definition is when a person selectively chooses info to build their reality while refusing to acknowledge the existence of info that would ruin their carefully construed reality to be false.

"There are low information voters, people who don't have access to truth or who can't distinguish fact from fantasy. But, there's also those who manipulate language, redefine words."

The word "war," she insisted, is one that pro-choice advocates have seized.

"Merriam-Webster says war is 'a state of opened and declared armed hostility, a conflict between state and nations.' But war is not the word to define this issue.

The correct word is a massacre of the unborn -- an act or instant of killing helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity and cruelty."

Garton continued to use the English language to prove her point, this time referencing the Thesaurus.

"Abortion was listed back in 1960 as failure in an early Thesaurus."

But pro-abortion advocates, Garton remarked, are inventing their own language to push their agendas.

"Such semantic gymnastics we see being used by abortion supporters. They come from highly educated, the elite in Washington. George Orwell once said, 'some things only intellectuals are crazy enough to believe.'"

Joy Pinto, an EWTN radio host who is also a director of pregnancy medical center, joined her fellow panelists in exposing feminists' verbal engineering, which many women have unfortunately accepted as truth. She suggested an alternative:

"This government tells them it's okay to use contraception, that abortion can be used as backup. They have bit the apple, they believe the lie. We see how they're suffering and we love them back. I think the pro-life movement needs to come out waging peace on women.

Abortion doesn't have to be an option in the hearts and minds of our society. We want the bill of lies no more."

The left's manipulation, Lopez explained, also comes in the form of media bias. During the infamous Wendy Davis filibuster and subsequent pro-abortion protests in Texas last summer, for instance, Lopez pointed to the media's "total obscuring of the facts."

"Bills that would make clinics safer were ignored - it was all about restricting women's access to health care. Lopez did suggest, however, that pro-lifers could view the left's semantics in a positive way.

"I find it as source of encouragement that they have to manipulate words. They can't use the word 'abortion.'"

There may not be a war on women, but pro-abortion advocates are certainly waging a war on words.

I'll be reporting from the National Right to Life conference through Saturday. Stay tuned for more of the truth.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-66 next last

1 posted on 06/28/2014 8:31:48 AM PDT by Dqban22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Dqban22

We need a definition - in law - giving the unborn personhood status from the time of conception. Then we can grant a lawyer to them to,defend their Constitutional rights that we all have under the law.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 8:34:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dqban22
It seems that this war will continue for a long period of time, the girls have to learn to protect themselves.
3 posted on 06/28/2014 8:47:01 AM PDT by eizverson22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dqban22

It’s a HOLOCAUST like NO other!!! these are MOTHERS KILLING THEIR CHILDREN!! NOTHING has EVER happened like this.


4 posted on 06/28/2014 8:53:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
We need a definition - in law - giving the unborn personhood status from the time of conception.

Not that I disagree with you, but how are we going to get such a law passed, when Americans are largely voting for this?

5 posted on 06/28/2014 8:56:02 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Dqban22
The "war on women" is a war against Christ. In every possible way, abortion destroys His word. What we as a people kid ourselves into believing is that we alone can really matter in this hideous destruction of life and horrendous damage to the mother. Countless organizations have been and are still working for life, yet 40 years later, we're still killing, seemingly with renewed vigor every day. The answer to the end of abortion does lie with us, but not us alone. We must pray constantly, all throughout the day, for the end of the killing. Beg Jesus continually, and of course visit an adoration chapel (see my tagline) to see if maybe Mother Teresa (who so very well understood the result of abortion) knew exactly what she was talking about.

Find a chapel near you; help end the war against Jesus.
6 posted on 06/28/2014 8:58:30 AM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TwelveOfTwenty

I do know that liberals get things done “in law” that the majority of Americans do not support. It would seem we could do some of that, too ... :-) ...


7 posted on 06/28/2014 8:59:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

No other way.

Imagine the Easy Company guys saying, “no, I don’t see how we can do this. The German soldiers won’t agree to it. They’ll never change their minds. No, no...no. Can’t do it”


8 posted on 06/28/2014 9:02:20 AM PDT by stanne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I believe a fetal personhood initiative was considered in Mississippi and it almost passed.

There was some panicked talk as usual among the “pro choice” set, but some valid points were also brought up that would suggest the idea needs refinement before becoming law. For instance, do we want the full panoply of modern negligence law to be brought to bear in the case of a “natural” miscarriage that was, however, partly due to malnutrition or disease or other carelessness.

My read: people are going to have to care about the love of God before they can care sensibly about other kinds of love. Our hearts have fallen closer to the gutter than we think. As an eternal optimist, I believe God may be poised to make a new address to the country, a new offer of love that will dawn on befogged souls. He certainly would not begrudge it to any willing person.

A personhood statute or amendment is intriguing, but the shock might be more than the country is currently willing to endure. Also it is unsatisfying in a sense, because if a law really can make someone a person, a law can also take that away. We might not want to pop open that Pandora’s box too quickly.


9 posted on 06/28/2014 9:05:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Love has been lost; or let us say that it has been supplanted by a narcissistic (self adoring) attitude.

Unless this attitude can be supplanted again by true love (the love from God and of God) there is no rock to grip here.

The stubborn thing about the love of God is that it insists on being universal. It won’t brook being restricted from a class, except for the case of the sin of refusing the love all one’s life. Are you willing to love the woman next door who has purposely aborted three times, as much as you do one of her present unborn children at risk? To be willing to endure the scorn of the shortsighted as you do so in either case? If the answer is yes, then yes you have picked up on the love of God.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 9:10:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

We just have to remind anyone who says if they are granted by government that they can be taken away by government — about these words ...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...”

And ... “There you go ... “


11 posted on 06/28/2014 9:11:21 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
I do know that liberals get things done “in law” that the majority of Americans do not support.

Americans who voted for Obama may not agree with everything he has done, but they still voted for him TWICE for what they thought he would do for them.

12 posted on 06/28/2014 9:12:58 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Dqban22

Since it’s reasonable to assume that at least half the unborn children murdered by abortion are girls, it most certainly is a “war on women”, just not in the way godless liberals assume.


13 posted on 06/28/2014 9:14:29 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

That was the manifesto presented to King George; it never got into the Constitution.

And I don’t know what you are intending by “There you go...” but it really sounds smart alecky.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 9:15:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: TwelveOfTwenty

You get the right mix of legislators, the right President and maybe a good legal case ... and just about anything can happen ... :-) ...


15 posted on 06/28/2014 9:17:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

It means that’s our foundation for anyone saying that government can take away those rights because they are the government. We maintain that right now and we can continue to maintain it for all “people” ...


16 posted on 06/28/2014 9:19:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

How much case law ties back to the Declaration of Independence without an explicit anchor in the Constitution?

I haven’t heard of any.

I don’t say it isn’t a noble, even godly idea. It just ran into problems once the task of composing a Constitution fell at hand. That Constitution had some sin in it in the form of winks at chattel slavery; and Thomas Jefferson for one may have felt a little too conscience pinched to put something like that in.


17 posted on 06/28/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

That is moot without people believing in all the “creator bestowed” stuff in the first place.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 9:23:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

The slavery issue is like this one ... in saying that those slaves were not property. They fall under those rights that cannot be taken away by government. It’s the same here ... these little ones are people whose rights cannot be taken away by government. We’ll do exactly what this Declaration of Independence says ... “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...”


19 posted on 06/28/2014 9:29:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

It doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not, the Founding Fathers did and they formed this country out of that understanding. And I’m certainly glad they gave us that basis.


20 posted on 06/28/2014 9:31:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I’m saying the Declaration of Independence is an insufficient witness to be an anchor for full-on personhood. It is basically avowing, in the face of the “candid world” and King George, that oh yes America believes in LL&PoH. The only thing is, that turned out to be a lie.

God-and-bible belief is the only thing that is going to be able to reverse it. I don’t want to waste breath on the Declaration. It is not holy writ.


21 posted on 06/28/2014 9:33:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

That Declaration of Independence is the basis upon which this country was founded, and then came the other part spoken here, the “gears” and the “nuts and bolts” ... “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...”

We’re still doing this part and will continue to do so.


22 posted on 06/28/2014 9:36:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

No; if you ask George Washington, it is upon “our blessed Religion” (by religion he did not mean ritual, but faith upon the Lord Jesus Christ).

I will NOT dilute holy writ by putting it in the same basket as a lie, however hallowed the lie.


23 posted on 06/28/2014 9:37:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

When we deal with our government in this way, as in the following ... “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...” — we are NOT dealing with “holy writ”.

So, in dealing with this issue “in government” and using the basis of the “Declaration of Independence” establishing those rights that cannot be taken away because they are from the Creator ... We will “do this very thing” of securing those rights which are not for government to remove.


24 posted on 06/28/2014 9:44:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Colonel_Flagg

Sex-selective abortion is common in some cultures (and not just in China). Far more than half of the unborn children aborted are girls. At least 100 million worldwide so far, and counting.


25 posted on 06/28/2014 12:38:56 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

“War on the unborn” or “war on babies” may be effective retorts to the abortion enthusiasts who have thusfar been ineffectively challenged (in the court of public opinion anyway ... judicial courts are another matter entirely, beyond the reach of public opinion).


26 posted on 06/28/2014 12:44:51 PM PDT by glennaro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

And again the very moment that is trotted forth as a basis of itself, it now gets roundly hooted at because it was stated in hypocrisy.

Sorry, I will not go for a (God+State)-olatry formulation. Much less State-olatry.

The actual Light that enlightens all men is needed here... NOTHING less suffices.


27 posted on 06/28/2014 1:41:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

We’re in the “here and now” with our current form of government. If you want the “by and by” - kick the bucket and you’ll be there ... :-) ...


28 posted on 06/28/2014 1:43:51 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

The “By and By” is at our very elbow! How can you speak such blasphemy???


29 posted on 06/28/2014 1:45:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Argh. At least some of the Founders had a living sense of a very immanent (sp intended) God, which in fact corresponds to truth. It is the depraved, the reprobate, who have “lost all sensitivity.” The presence of God and being caught up in His desires and will doesn’t have to wait till a kicked-bucket bye and bye. This was the SOURCE of the idea (even if stated hypocritically) of the Declaration. Now why go through a glass darkly if you can go to the light in the scriptures? The reverence of the founding just isn’t there any more. But God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Evangelists, not politicians, will be the carriers of any solution to the ills of America. And the people will be the receivers of it.


30 posted on 06/28/2014 2:03:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

In my Evangelical Bible-believing world, the “by and by” doesn’t come until you kick the bucket - or - when the next step occurs (the next age after the Church Age), which is the Messiah of Israel returning to earth and setting up his one-world government from his ruling base and city - in Jerusalem, where he rules over all the nations of the world we see here today, with a rod of iron!

Psalm 2

1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,

3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”

4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.

5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:

6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ “

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

— — —

During the 7-year Tribulation, we’ll see the current governments of the world come directly under the Messiah of Israel’s control ...

Revelation 11:15-19

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,

17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.

18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

— — —

Revelation 19

1 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God!

2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

3 Again they said, “Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!”

4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying, “Amen! Alleluia!”

5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!”

6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!

7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ “ And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,

18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


31 posted on 06/28/2014 2:07:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Unless we win Americans over to Conservative values, we won’t get those leaders elected, just more pandering.


32 posted on 06/28/2014 2:08:25 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

You don’t need to die to have a very close touch to the eternal, as much of a touch as this mortal coil admits. It is the Cross sacrifice which makes that touch possible.

You are basically argufying and quibbling here. Of course at some point the mortal coil gives way to the immortal. But the bible and biblically-faithful Christian lives are the closest light for those who don’t yet have the light within themselves by belief.


33 posted on 06/28/2014 2:15:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: TwelveOfTwenty

The way the Bible describes things as it transitions over to the coming Kingdom on this earth, set up by the Messiah of Israel, establishing his one-world government from the Throne of David in Jerusalem - is that LAWLESSNESS increases until the man of Lawlessness is revealed (the Anti-Christ) and finally sets up in the Temple in Israel and declares HIMSELF to be God Almighty - at which point the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob responds with the most severe judgements upon this earth the world has ever seen in its history.

At that point, the Messiah of Israel returns to earth with the armies of heaven and kills all who oppose him on this earth.

We’re headed into an AWFULLY BLOODY TIME!


34 posted on 06/28/2014 2:16:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

It is cogently argued that a taking-up (rapture) will occur in close proximity to such things.

America is but 2% of the globe’s surface and it isn’t even cited specifically in scripture. It might correspond to (distant) coastlands — perhaps. But yet the gospel has worked wonderfully in it, perhaps more wonderfully than any other historical country. And this may not yet be the last hurrah for the gospel. I’m certainly making myself available to the Lord to advocate gospel faith in the Lord until He forces me off this mortal coil. I do not believe it’s in vain yet, though some people are slow to pick up on it.


35 posted on 06/28/2014 2:20:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

During the Millennial Reign - and Kingdom on this earth, set up by the Messiah of Israel - we will see the mortal and immortal, side-by-side on this earth.

Many will have survived that 7-year Tribulation period, and will go into the Kingdom on this earth, in their mortal bodies, and go on to rebuild and repopulate this earth with large families - while those who were “taken up” prior to the Tribulation, return with the Messiah of Israel, back to earth - and they are immortal, and “ruling and reigning” over the masses of mortals who are still on this earth, in the various nations of the world.

That is the 1,000 year reign of the Messiah of Israel in his Kingdom that he sets up here on earth. After that, we see in Revelation 20, the “Great White Throne Judgment”.

Revelation 20

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


36 posted on 06/28/2014 2:29:24 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

And that’s fine — none of this is an excuse for failure to pursue the experiential knowledge of God right here and now.


37 posted on 06/28/2014 2:35:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Dqban22

Great news!

The last abortion clinic in Corpus Christi has been shut down as of Monday June 30.

Due to new pro-life regulations signed into law by Governor Rick Perry. Regulations require all abortion providers to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital as well as becoming ambulatory surgical centers, or mini hospitals.

Most clinics would have to undergo costly renovations or, like the Coastal Bend Birth Control Center, simply shut their doors.

http://www.kiiitv.com/story/25891604/pro-life-activists-hold-service-as-local-abortion-clinic-shuts-doors


38 posted on 06/28/2014 2:46:00 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN - (girl type))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

There is a three-fold salvation that Christians have, as told to us, in the Bible.

There is the “one-time for all time” salvation from the penalty of sin, called justification.

Then there is the lifelong process of salvation, which we go through every day, called sanctification.

And lastly there is the final stage of salvation, which occurs when we are raised up and receive our eternal bodies, called glorification.

THUS, we were saved for all time, we are being saved every single day, and we will be saved for eternity after.

That’s our experiential knowledge - except for the last step of salvation which none of us have achieved yet, but will in the coming 1,000 year reign of the Messiah of Israel upon this earth.

We were saved in the past, we are being saved in the present and we will be saved in the future!


39 posted on 06/28/2014 2:47:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

And fine... so why are you looking to secondhand documents for the inspiration, the incentive, which actually comes from sanctification as it happens?

I can’t put on a shirt from a photograph. I have to physically go pick it up and put it on my back.


40 posted on 06/28/2014 2:49:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

I live in a government that was established using the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and put together with the “nuts and bolts” and working mechanisms of the US Constitution, which I intend to uphold and follow while I’m in this secular world and nation.

When I get to the Kingdom on this earth, during the Millennial reign of the Messiah of Israel, then it will be his one-world government which is not secular but is a world-wide Theocracy.

I “live” where I’m at - at the time - and right now it’s NOT under a theocracy, but it’s under the secular government and secular documents of the Declaration of Independence and the “workings of government” from the US Constitution.

My own personal salvation is not my government and I don’t intend to make my government a theocracy, but I intend to live in a fully secular nation with secular documents and secular ruling officials. That’s what I’m called to do right now.


41 posted on 06/28/2014 3:05:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Um... when God differs from the secular, the marching orders are clear.

You must live something BETTER than the best of human law.


42 posted on 06/28/2014 3:12:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Let me repeat.

Actual gospel belief elevated America out of even its own political shortcomings in a lot of ways.

The Underground Railroad defied the Constitution. It did not defy God.

It is this light of God which must be preached, quite INDEPENDENTLY and THOROUGHLY. (Note very carefully I never asked for a theocracy.) If you play around in the playpen of mere politics, you will never get a solution to such crying ills as abortion. Never, ever, EVER!


43 posted on 06/28/2014 3:15:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

I “oppose” using the system that the Founding Fathers gave us.

And while that system respects ALL RELIGIONS in its construction and mechanism of government (and I’m fine with that for a secular government), I personally use the freedoms of that system to warn others about their personal salvation and where those other false regions will lead them, which is to eternal separation from God and all that is good - in the lake of fire.


44 posted on 06/28/2014 3:18:26 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

If you want abortion to be stopped in this government, then you will have to work within this clearly (and fully) secular government and its mechanisms to achieve that end.


45 posted on 06/28/2014 3:21:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

So you are saying that you use discernment and at the points it orders you to disobey God, you disobey it instead.

Fine.

This whole thing started as a discussion of how to effect an end to abortion.

We won’t be able to engineer a fiat from a secondhand reference to a principle that is dimly mirrored in the Declaration, one which ended up getting honored a lot in the breach. That is as much fog as it is light.

We can get people to once more recognize the immanent love of God, POSSIBLY. That’s what is going to extinguish the urge to have abortions (and do many of the things that lead up to them) in the first place, where love will displace lust. It is certainly worth every good try, and it will NOT be all self conscious, oh look at me how I can explicate every point of the bible ain’t I wonderful attitude. It will carry an unmistakable love, “against which there is no law.”


46 posted on 06/28/2014 3:23:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Nope... will never work. And the bible says our weapons are supernatural.

INDEPENDENT gospel attempts MUST be made. Every time a Billy Graham goes out and preaches, a small victory is won. There is no reason why this cannot be expanded by private effort.


47 posted on 06/28/2014 3:24:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

The laws are passed by a secular government, using laws that are to be according to the US Constitution, which is a secular document, and these laws are carried out and enforced by a secular judicial system and a secular law enforcement system. Those are the “facts on the ground” no matter what you say about divine principles.

Now, in your own personal life, you can have all the divine guidance and divine intervention you want, but you are still going to have to go “through” the secular system to achieve those aims you want “in government”.

There is still going to have to be a “law” that is composed from a secular legislative body, there is still going to have to be a vote in secular government body there is still going to have to be secular law enforcement, and there is still going to have to be adjudication in a secular justice system.

The “Gospel message” is not a function of government and has nothing to do with it. It’s a personal message for personal salvation. The presentation of the Gospel message of salvation to each individual proceeds on its own, having nothing to do with the government and/or its functions.


48 posted on 06/28/2014 3:46:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

You aren’t going to get this current democratic republic to do the right thing without the gospel power... and THOSE, my friend, are the REAL facts on the ground!


49 posted on 06/28/2014 3:57:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
The “Gospel message” is not a function of government and has nothing to do with it.

You are quite blind to the fact that Christian faith was VERY much a communal affair in early America. It was not a bunch of monks in corners with personal bibles.

What is there about the need for gospel in this world that scares you?

50 posted on 06/28/2014 3:59:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-66 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson