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Posted on 06/30/2014 1:08:09 PM PDT by servo1969
The big news across America today is the final pre-summer decisions of a Supreme Court that has not been altogether on board with the cafeteria constitutionalism of the Obama Administration.
Obamacare Rebuffed By High Court In Contraception Ruling
Up to a point. Hobby Lobby will continue to pay for all its employees' contraception except for a trio of abortifacients - that's to say, "morning-after pills" that dispose of any long-term consequences from the night before. A month's worth of these pills costs nine bucks from Wal-Mart. In the old days, we used to add "or less than a daily paper or a cup of coffee". But you can't buy a paper or a cuppa joe for 30 cents anymore. So a month's supply of these pills for any young lady paying full freight is the cost of one-and-a-half venti lattes at a big-city Starbuck's.
That's what we're arguing about: who's going to pick up the one-and-a-half lattes.
It would, of course, be outrageous to expect the person using the pills to pay for them. So what to do?
The great organizing principle of 21st-century American life is that everything should be fiendishly complicated. If, say, an Italian wishes to take a leak, he strolls six feet across the corridor to the bathroom and unzips. To achieve the same end in America, a Keystone pipeline-long catheter has to be inserted snaking from his underwear out the front door, down the road to his employer's human resources department, on to the chief executive at head office, across town to the micturition management services company, over to the bodily fluids evacuation insurance provider, down the railroad track to the federal bureaucracy in Washington, before winding its way back to his place and the bathroom six feet from where he's sitting.
(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...
So HobbyLobby DOES have to pay for contraception?
Hmmm. at this point it is clear as mud (for me at least) I think it depends on how you interpret Alito’s language.
Hobby Lobby covers contraceptives and always has. The drugs in question are abortifacients. The woman is assumed to have already conceived. The egg has been fertilized. It’s too late for a contraceptive. But everyone, even the court and the FDA, has decided they are just contraceptives and their use does not constitute an abortion because the egg may not have implanted yet. But i think that’s BS.
Hobby Lobby didn’t want to be forced to help women kill their babies. They only sued over 3 or 4 drugs.
Okay, but under this ruling, Hobby Lobby will still be paying for abortifacients, just in a more roundabout way.
If it didn’t matter the Left wouldn’t be raising such a stink.
>> NO TAXPAYER FUNDING of Abortions
Scumbags lie. It’s what they do.
No. From this post and other you have made today on other threads it appears that you don't understand the difference between contraceptives and abortifacients. Contraceptives prevent conception (fertilization of an egg by a sperm) by preventing ovulation.
Abortifacients do not prevent fertilization, but prevent the fertilized egg which has a unique genetic identity of its own, (unique from both its parents) from inplanting in the uterus and therby preventing pregnancy. The owner's of Hobby Lobby are protestant who have no moral objections to contraceptives, but do object to abortifacients, unlike tonservative catholics who would have moral objections to both contraceptives and abortifacients.
No, Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay for contraception.
Someone has to pay for it or the companies will stop making it. What the government provision is not saying is that the government is the one who has guaranteed the insurance companies a certain level of profitability. So, the insurance company pays the pill company. The government pays the insurance company.
Steyn says the insurance company will raise its rates. It might do that, but they’re already 2 and 3 times higher than previously. And the same with deductibles and co-pays.
Who is REALLY paying for your abortion pills if your deductible is $6000 a year, and you haven’t had a hospitalization to pay for that particular year?
You don’t understand. I understand the difference between abortifacients and contraceptives. What Steyn’s lawyer said is that health insurance will still give the employees abortifacients, then they will charge that cost back to Hobby Lobby, but that cost won’t be considered to directly be a bill for the abortifacients.
I think Steyn's point is the insurance companies will still make Hobby Lobby pay for it. it just won't be a direct charge.
By the way, not all protestants approve of contraceptives. I don’t think any did before 1930.
Good.
What Steyn’s lawyer said is that health insurance will still give the employees abortifacients, then they will charge that cost back to Hobby Lobby, but that cost won’t be considered to directly be a bill for the abortifacients.
Which is nonsense. Hobby Lobby can simply specify in its contract with the health insurance provider that under no circumstance will the health insurance pay for an abortifacient. If the health insurance company want to give that coverage to insured women for free that is their business, but I suspect that Hobby Lobby would then take their business elsewhere.
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The government guarantee of the insurer’s profitability under obamacare is the issue here. Where we are on new ground is when the policy is not off of an exchange, but is a continuing policy which the company was already providing. Curiously, many large corporations were grandfathered in and their policies don’t even have the coverage that the government insist that Hobby Lobby must provide. (First, we must recognize that is unequal treatment.)
So, who pays for a loss in a pre-owned policy? Is that, too, guaranteed to an insurance company? I’m thinking that it is, because ObamaCare is dictating what a policy must contain, and it says the policy must contain these morning after pills and IUDs.
If that’s the case, then WE pay through our taxes. Hobby Lobby has an exemption, the insurers have their money, and this entire stupid system has ME paying for that which I think is abhorrent.
The risk corridor program is one program which makes it possible for an insurer not to lose money under Obamacare.
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Risk corridor explained by WSJ:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/01/22/explaining-risk-corridors-the-next-obamacare-issue/
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