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The Hobby Lobby decision isn’t narrow
MSNBC ^ | June 30, 2014 | Irin Carmon

Posted on 06/30/2014 10:08:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby is being called narrow by some analysts, but that’s true only in that Hobby Lobby got everything it wanted and nothing more. In her blistering dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg correctly called it “a decision of startling breadth.”

The question before the Court was twofold: Do corporations enjoy the same protections for religious liberty as individuals do? And if so, does providing contraceptive coverage in an employee health plan – as required under the Affordable Care Act – violate that liberty?

Justice Samuel Alito, writing for all of the Republican-appointed justices, answered “yes” to both questions.

Giving for-profit corporations exemption from the law, he said, “protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control them.” He said “any suggestion that for-profit corporations are incapable of exercising religion because their purpose is simply to make money flies in the face of modern corporate law.”

That religious exercise was being burdened by employee birth control coverage, Alito said – especially when the government could just provide birth control directly to women, or require insurers to provide it directly to employees.

The majority brought no such passion to considering the real-life impact on employees – in this case, women.

That was where Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg stepped in, furiously. Joined in full by Justice Sonia Sotomayor and in part by Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan, Ginsburg pointed out that the ruling was radical because “exemptions had never been granted to any entity operating in ‘the commercial, profit-making world.’”(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 35pagesoftripe; abortion; alito; contraception; contraceptives; dnctalkingpoints; hobbylobby; pravdamedia; ruthbaderginsburg; ruthginsberg; scotus; supremecourt
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To: motoman

You are correct. However, one would never learn this from this MSNBC article. This key fact is conveniently hidden from the readers.


41 posted on 07/01/2014 12:19:03 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

they are going batsh1t crazy.

they are all for’individual rights and the right of people to say yes or no, when it’s stuff they believe or disapprove of.

you can’t even talk to people like this.


42 posted on 07/01/2014 12:20:51 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what a dolt of an author..... he misstates the case for his own purposes and then sets up straw men to rile the masses


43 posted on 07/01/2014 1:44:18 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Abortion is the most important sacrament of the Democratic Party.”

When our soldiers came home from Vietnam the anti-war left would, “greet” them by yelling, “baby killers” at them. Now the left kills babies under the banner of, “pro-choice”.


44 posted on 07/01/2014 2:41:29 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: ElkGroveDan

“It’s not the contraceptive coverage that Hobby Lobby was questioning, it was the ABORTION coverage”

Yep, and the Media has not and will not accurately report this. And our side doesn’t help things when we can’t even get that fact straight when it comes time to talk our Lib. friends from off the cliff.


45 posted on 07/01/2014 3:06:30 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: gleeaikin

Kindly tell me, what the hell is wrong with you?

Seriously, you think it’s a good idea to use federal law to force third parties to pay for abortifacients? (which if you’d bothered to actually read the ruling was an important element of the legal arguments)

You’ve got a heroic quantity of fuzzy-brained nonsense and hyperbole going on in your post. Tell me, precisely, how does not paying for someone’s morning after pill equate, in your warped mind, to muslim companies not allowing “something that their employees feel is their right”?

What precise effing right is being abridged here? The right to force someone to pay for your abortifacients?!?! Where do you people come up with this crap? Why in the hell do you think... pardon me, “feel” since you’re obviously not thinking, why in the hell do you “feel” that your ‘rights’ are being infringed when other people aren’t being forced to foot the bill for contraceptives or abortifacients?

Is your concept of liberty contingent upon being free from both the consequences of your own misbehavior AND free from having to pay the bill for your own abortion drugs?


46 posted on 07/01/2014 3:38:05 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The ruling may be broader than commonly thought. If a corporation can refuse parts of Obuggercare on religious grounds then certainly individuals can also.


47 posted on 07/01/2014 3:51:12 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In her blistering dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg correctly called it “a decision of startling breadth.”

The only thing that dried up old prune has that is blistering is a visage. It blisters the eyes of normal people who look at her or the ears of normal people who hear her.

48 posted on 07/01/2014 4:25:11 AM PDT by stevem
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To: willywill

“Most conservatives are against contraception”

Incorrect. Most or all conservatives are against abortion. Contraception is fine. Just don’t make me pay for someone else’s contraception. And don’t make me pay for abortions.


49 posted on 07/01/2014 9:20:25 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: kcvl

I find it interesting that they list “control over their own body’s” and “control over the size of their families”. Don’t want a large family? Don’t have unprotected sex with someone other than your husband. And if you are married and can’t afford birth control pills and/or condoms, there are options for you.


50 posted on 07/01/2014 9:57:29 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. ItÂ’s been found hard and not tried')
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To: ro_dreaming

Women like Hillary actually hate men in power unless, of course, it furthers their agenda. Then it doesn’t matter what those men do (as in Clinton’s Monica affair).

She wasn’t about to leave Clinton no matter what he did or how much he embarrassed her. She needed him to get her power. I don’t call that an achievement (as in glass ceiling), I call that being a political whore.

Hillary would be nowhere without Bill Clinton. She would still be in Chicago trying to lie her way to the top and run over as many people as needed for power but still not make it where she is today. It is all thanks to Bill Clinton and everyone knows it!


51 posted on 07/01/2014 11:27:18 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

52 posted on 07/02/2014 1:09:25 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Very narrow decision.

The truth about Hobby Lobby. Although they offer other avenues of contraception to their employees, they would not support the mandated abortion and abortifacients (Morning after pill and other products that destroy an embryo -- already fertilized.).

It's that simple because they are a closely held (family) business that believes and lives their religion in their business. They even play religious music in their stores. (And not just at Christmas!)

God bless them.

PS. This does not apply to corporations, etc. as the libs would have you believe.


53 posted on 07/02/2014 2:51:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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