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According to the Supreme Court, Corporations Have More Religious Freedom Than Taxpayers
Forbes ^ | 7/1/2014 | Avik Roy

Posted on 07/01/2014 5:36:28 PM PDT by unlearner

For all of the non-stop wall-to-wall coverage of yesterday’s Supreme Court decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby—in which the Court ruled that the government doesn’t have the authority to force “closely-held corporations” to violate their religious beliefs—a simple fact has been lost. The ruling did not overturn a single word of the “Affordable Care Act,” otherwise known as Obamacare. Nor did the Supreme Court prevent the government from requiring that taxpayers finance abortion-related services.

Pro-life activists—and Obamacare opponents—are cheering today. But when they sit down and reflect, they’ll realize that they haven’t won a thing.

The Supremes endorsed the White House’s ‘accommodation’ of Catholic institutions

On page five of the Supreme Court opinion, Samuel Alito spells out how the Obama administration can get around the Court’s ruling that the administration can’t force Hobby Lobby to offer health insurance plans with contraception and abortifacient coverage. “The government could, e.g., assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives to women unable to obtain coverage due to their employers’ religious objections,” writes Alito.

Ah, but who finances the government? Taxpayers. In other words, while the government can’t compel Hobby Lobby to finance abortifacients, it can compel taxpayers to do so. Isn’t that a distinction without a difference?

Alito continues...

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; abortionmandate; freeexerciseclause; hobby; hobbylobby; lobby; obamacare; ussc; zerocare
Didn't see this one posted which I think is food for thought.
1 posted on 07/01/2014 5:36:28 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: unlearner

Actually I think its more like food for plants.


2 posted on 07/01/2014 5:38:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

With extra sulfur.


3 posted on 07/01/2014 5:39:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: unlearner

Its an interesting take, and I agree with it, but the writer is complaining about the state of the swamp after we drained the swimming pool. The fact is, Obamacare is here, with no opposition, and we are going to be paying for other people’s healthcare until it is reversed.

Protecting people’s consciences was vital. Now we can turn our focus upon dismantling this law with all its taxpayer funding for abortion.


4 posted on 07/01/2014 5:39:43 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: unlearner

Setting the basic precedent that religious views matter and that the All Powerful Government does not have the right to ignore religious views and bluntly compel payment for ethically questionable practice seems like a good start.

Sorry we couldn’t solve World Hunger in 5 minutes. Sometimes the task must be accomplished in small steps.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 5:44:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: cripplecreek; Olog-hai

Superficial replies lead me to believe you miss the author’s point.

The Hobby Lobby decision is a win. It just does not go far enough.


6 posted on 07/01/2014 5:48:41 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

Compulsion to contract is illegal. That’s the next attack, imo.


7 posted on 07/01/2014 5:50:04 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ultimately the people of America have to invite the Lord back into their lives and hearts.

If this was a baby step in that direction it was better than no step at all. Now the question arises, what will we do with this new advantage. The questions being raised are quite important. Nobody is saying they aren’t. But we can’t afford to collapse into blame games either, the infamous circular firing squad. Let’s see how we can get from here to there.


8 posted on 07/01/2014 5:52:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We are all glad that Hobby Lobby stood up for freedom of religion and conscience. We are all glad that a little sanity prevailed in the Supreme Court. The point is that religious liberty and freedom of conscience are not being protected for everyone as they should. The whole Act needs to be reversed.


9 posted on 07/01/2014 5:53:09 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

True enough.

Nobody is saying the other matters are not important. But look at how it has the liberals’ hair on fire. If we can’t see the Lord slowly moving back into the picture, THEY can... and they are reacting as if God were Godzilla.


10 posted on 07/01/2014 5:55:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The precedent for the Hobby Lobby case was set in 2010 when the Judge declared “Corporations same as people....individuals”. How could they expect any other decision based on the 2010 case.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 5:56:41 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: Kackikat

From the Citizens United case...? Sometimes the moves of evil set up their own nemesis.


12 posted on 07/01/2014 5:58:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kackikat

And this does form one front by which the liberal atomization and stultification of society can be combated. Groups can have a will, and they can have a positive will, and the Constitution can honor the fact that they do.


13 posted on 07/01/2014 6:00:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Pay to incorporate yourself.


14 posted on 07/01/2014 6:02:44 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: unlearner

More undamentally, Obamacare purportedly fines those who don’t buy healthcare for themselves. However, they are not given the opportunity to buy a policy that excludes certain forms of birth control. Private corporations, however, now can.


15 posted on 07/01/2014 6:06:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: unlearner

I guess Avik isn’t aware that corporations are “taxpayers” too....


16 posted on 07/01/2014 6:10:08 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Can Juan Williams possibly be that stupid?)
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To: Kackikat
The precedent for the Hobby Lobby case was set in 2010 when the Judge declared “Corporations same as people....individuals”.

And with our Wilsonian tax code and Corp Law they are entities just like people. I don't think the left likes that they live in perpetuity, but they have been hoisted by their own petard...

17 posted on 07/01/2014 6:14:05 PM PDT by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s a Definite. And when a case does not have a precedent and one is set, just what could you expect as the consequence for the next case....Now, surely over time there could be other precedents set in lower courts making an outcome less predictable.... but here and now....not so much.

The supposedly Constitutional Lawyer in the WH should have anticipated this...but he thought they had to be on the bus of Women’s rights and under his thumb...including Contraception. A woman can buy a months supply for less than $10. and men can provide their own, if need be.

This is so ludicrous to hear Hillary whining over ‘gender bigotry’, what a wacko. The next 1 1/2 years we will have to hear those obnoxious statements from the left, as if women live in the dark ages, sexism, and GOP is supressing their rights. As a woman I feel exploited by people who don’t have enough integrity to pay for their own stuff.

I read an article today about two women at a Welfare office fighting over a cell phone, one of those Obama free phones....no personal responsibility any more to pay for anything and they want to choose what we pay for. Obama handing out candy and it isn’t even his...disgusting.


18 posted on 07/01/2014 6:16:47 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: taildragger

Yep :)


19 posted on 07/01/2014 6:17:24 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: Kackikat

It was “liberal principle” Barack wanted (whether voluntarily or under compulsion).

But it struck a wall here. At least plaster, if not brick.


20 posted on 07/01/2014 6:20:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think it was self preservation for the Supreme s, if nothing else.
Imagine you are sitting on the Court and the Executive Branch is making Congress irrelevant...what do you do? You make yourself relevant, and begin the climb out of the s($^ hole this guy has dug as a grave for the other two branches of government....
The left has handed you a precedent and you use it. There in lies Congress’s chance to crawl out from under by using the laws broken by the guy who thinks he is King. So we shall see if Congress does sue him, and if a GOP Senate in Nov...begins the Impeachment in the House with a Senate who convicts. God bless the Supreme s who took the right stand.


21 posted on 07/01/2014 6:26:07 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: unlearner

I assume that CEOs pay taxes and therefore are “taxpayers” with the same God given rights as those who don’t pay taxes and leech off of hardworking people.


22 posted on 07/01/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: unlearner

That’s like expecting a repeal of abortion in one fell swoop.


23 posted on 07/01/2014 7:17:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: clintonh8r

Obviously, writing for Forbes, he is more aware than most. If you read more than just the headline... or even if you only read the headline... the point is not that the SC made a bad decision in favor of Hobby Lobby. He is pointing out that individuals should also have the same protection. Yes, corporations pay taxes. So do a lot of individuals. And even if we pay no taxes at all (iow “free” Obamacare) we should still not be coerced by the government to practice the religion of liberalism. That is what Obamacare does.


24 posted on 07/02/2014 6:29:15 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Olog-hai

I am not stating what I expect, just what is right. Likewise, abortion SHOULD be repealed in one fell swoop. And the perpetrators of this genocide should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Will that happen in this nation? Probably not until God judges the world. But that is starting to look very soon.


25 posted on 07/02/2014 6:32:16 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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