Skip to comments.NM ranching family tells feds: ĎDonít fence us outí
Posted on 07/03/2014 9:51:37 PM PDT by george76
Last month, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service listed the meadow jumping mouse as an endangered species. Now, the U.S. Forest Service, which oversees the Santa Fe National Forest, is considering erecting a series of 8-foot high fences to protect the mouses habitat.
The Luceros, members of the San Diego Cattlemans Association and holders of grazing permits with the federal government, say the fences will lock out their cattle as well as those of other permit holders from ever returning to the meadow where the livestock graze for 20 days in the spring and up to 40 days in the fall.
the mouse is active three to four months out of the year and spends the rest of its time hibernating.
Some 275 miles south, in Otero County, the Forest Service reinforced locked gates to keep out cattle from a creek called the Agua Chiquita to protect the mouses habitat. .. An attorney for Otero County says the state of New Mexico not the federal government has the right to access to the water to the creek and a lawsuit may be in the offing.
While the locked gate in the Otero County controversy keeps out only cattle, the Luceros complain 8-foot fencing in the Forest Service proposal in the Santa Fe Forest would keep out just about all forms of wildlife, including elk.
(Excerpt) Read more at watchdog.org ...
How are the cattle going to bother a mouse that is hibernating?
Bundy Ranch 2.0
Dont dare try it fed scum.
So the government knows what a fence is. Is this an invasive species they are protecting?
The feds can build fences to protect mice and cut off
grazing land / water for cattle, but cannot build a fence to protect our borders ?
Water rights are owned by the landowners as determined by state water courts, etc. ?
I’d be curious to know who the Luceros voted for in 2012. I wonder whether they did the same thing as the Punjabi family Victor David Hanson knows in California:
“Bundy Ranch 2.0 Dont dare try it fed scum.”
It appears such is what ‘they’ actually want. I do not think ‘they’ will be unprepared again. Holder re-activated the group responsible for bringing us Waco and Ruby Ridge.
“How are the cattle going to bother a mouse that is hibernating?”
Moo too loudly and wake him up.
mouse gets better treatment than the veterans at the VA....
I don't think you're clear on the atual purpose of the Endangered Species Act...
(Hint: the actual endangered species are irrelevent)
I think the EPA thinks they have control over every water puddle from coast to coast.
Yes they do. And they are trying to get it into new regulations even more specifically.
Now that makes perfect sense!
Turn loose a whole bunch of cats, mice gone, problem solved.
This is an agency created in 1970 by Nixon. What constitutional power do they have ?
and the Adirondack Ecological Center says they live lots of places -
Range and Habitat: The range is the southern half of Alaska, most of Canada, and the eastern two-thirds of the U.S. excluding much of the South. In the Adirondack Park, the meadow jumping mouse occurs from elevations to 700 m (2300 ft), and occasionally to 1220 m (4000 ft), in grassy shrubby sites such as meadows, fields, forest clearings and edges; the edges of swamps, marshes, and bogs. This species is especially abundant where ground cover is thick. The meadow jumping mouse builds nests of plant fibers 10-15 cm (4-6 in) in diameter, in clumps of grass, within the bases of hollow trees, in and under hollow logs, and underground to depths of 1 m (3 ft).
It reminds me of the Aplomado hawk. They made a rancher cover all his waters so they didn’t drown (Roll eyes) and he had to remove all his cattle when the birds were breeding. What happened, the adults abandoned their nests and followed the cattle.
These people are so stupid. Open bodies of water are natural and birds don’t drown unless something odd happens to them and any good rancher has a couple of 2x4s floating in the water tanks for bees and birds.
The reason these animals are there is because they have thrived there historically WITH cattle for a hundred years.
“Turn loose a whole bunch of cats, mice gone, problem solved.”
I’m sorry to say this, but you’ve missed the point entirely!
Cats. That’s a great idea. Everyone should take cats from places where the are going to be killed anyway and any extra cats they can find and take them down to the jumping mouse villages and turn them loose.
This story is bogus. I have been told that building a fence is an impossibility for the government.
Moderator please remove this specious post!
Fences for the jumping mouse but not for our own border...
This nation has gone completely crazy! We can build an 8-foot-high fence to protect a mouse, but we can’t build a fence to protect our border? Hang it up - the United States as we knew it is gone. We’ve been brought down by evil craziness.
That’s our govt for us. They will build a fence to protect a fricken mouse, but not one to protect our country. I am going to round up a bunch of cat and take them on a field trip to help out with this mouse problem. Besides aren’t the Fish and Wildlife Nazis busy harassing collectors and musician that have ivory in things like old clocks, pianos and bows for string instruments.
There are no threatened mice in New Mexico.
Other than the too-many Democrats, leftists, liberals, and GOPe.
In both cases, mice are flourishing in New Mexico.
Are there actual criteria these people use to make these listings, or do they just pull the findings out of their asses at the behest of environ-MENTAL groups?
Maybe there is a village full of illegal children in the designated area . . .
UN Agenda 21 is their plan.
The fake issue ( mouse, fish, bird, worm ... ) has nothing to do with the real issue.
The whole point is to save the mice lest yet another species goes extinct. But fencing out the cattle is a dumb idea as to how to go about it.
Plenty of Rattlesnakes in New Mexico that dine on these sleeping rodents.
Well, when you put it that way, I withdraw my idea of putting cats out there. It would hurt me to see them succumb to coyotes, rattlers and dehydration. I love my two cats very much. Still it was just an idea, brainstorming if you will, putting the idea out for discussion and debate.
There ya go, leave the mice to the rattlers. BTW, many other snakes would eat them too, most non-venomous snakes would constrict them before eating them.
Those mice are part of the ecosystem. They belong there. If they can get along with the cattle--and I can't think of a reason they should not--then there shouldn't be a problem. I think the corrupt Feds are just trying to use the mouse as an excuse to harass ranchers. They probably have a chart and a map---"Gee, we want to shut down Rancher Jones and take over his land. What endangered species live on his land that we could use to effect a takeover, to 'protect' the critter?" They are lower than the meanest rattler's belly!
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Ive got some mice they can have
Whoops! The posted article is about Jemez ranchers. Sorry about that! (But very glad the ABQ Journal picked it up too.)
Knowing northern NM as I do, any fences put up by the Forest Service that serve to keep out humans won't last long. As the article says, the locals have been there for hundreds of years and won't take kindly to the feds and city environmentalists keeping them out.
Knowing northern NM as I do, any fences put up by the Forest Service that serve to keep out humans won’t last long. As the article says, the locals have been there for hundreds of years and won’t take kindly to the feds and city environmentalists keeping them out.
Exactly. Almost every pickup coming down out of the hills had a deer under the wood as I remember.
The cattle probably improve the habitat for mice. How is the FWS going to keep it endangered that way?
No they're not. The budget to manage "recovery" is non-discretionary. Maintaining the mouse in its endangered status is job-security.
The law requires "the best available science." The bureaucrats then go about defining what that is in such a way that they can do as you suggested.
That is the ostensible point. The real point is to get the American public off Federal lands to become a bureaucratic fiefdom under the control of those who own feedlots and their suppliers.
Reflectometry says those days are numbered.
What is Reflectometry?
It is how power companies pinpoint a line break from the office. They send a pulse down the line and if the return waves bouncing off the various resistances changes, especially if the signal reflects off an open circuit, they can use the timing of the reflection to tell them where it is.
Thanks for that info.
Reflectometry, in northern New Mexico would be looked upon as another stupid idea the Gringos came up with and ignore it or shoot out power lines.
Been there, many times and I've heard the bravado you express before too, and in communities that have since been destroyed. Once the welfare dependents and bureaucrats outnumber the working residents, that picture starts to change. Give it ten years and you won't recognize the place unless you win the battle the right way.
Good points. El Rito, north of Abiquiu, for instance, is now basically a liberal/progressive enclave. The government is their god.