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NM ranching family tells feds: ‘Don’t fence us out’
New Mexico Watchdog ^ | July 3, 2014 | Rob Nikolewski

Posted on 07/03/2014 9:51:37 PM PDT by george76

Last month, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service listed the meadow jumping mouse as an endangered species. Now, the U.S. Forest Service, which oversees the Santa Fe National Forest, is considering erecting a series of 8-foot high fences to protect the mouse’s habitat.

The Luceros, members of the San Diego Cattleman’s Association and holders of grazing permits with the federal government, say the fences will lock out their cattle — as well as those of other permit holders — from ever returning to the meadow where the livestock graze for 20 days in the spring and up to 40 days in the fall.

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the mouse is active three to four months out of the year and spends the rest of its time hibernating.

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Some 275 miles south, in Otero County, the Forest Service reinforced locked gates to keep out cattle from a creek called the Agua Chiquita to protect the mouse’s habitat. .. An attorney for Otero County says the state of New Mexico – not the federal government – has the right to access to the water to the creek and a lawsuit may be in the offing.

While the locked gate in the Otero County controversy keeps out only cattle, the Luceros complain 8-foot fencing in the Forest Service proposal in the Santa Fe Forest would keep out just about all forms of wildlife, including elk.

(Excerpt) Read more at watchdog.org ...


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1 posted on 07/03/2014 9:51:37 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

How are the cattle going to bother a mouse that is hibernating?


2 posted on 07/03/2014 9:53:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: george76

Bundy Ranch 2.0

Dont dare try it fed scum.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 9:55:20 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: george76

So the government knows what a fence is. Is this an invasive species they are protecting?


4 posted on 07/03/2014 9:57:13 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: CedarDave; jazusamo; Flycatcher; SierraWasp; TEXOKIE; Cindy; girlangler; Inyo-Mono; Baynative; ...

The feds can build fences to protect mice and cut off
grazing land / water for cattle, but cannot build a fence to protect our borders ?

Water rights are owned by the landowners as determined by state water courts, etc. ?


5 posted on 07/03/2014 9:57:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I’d be curious to know who the Luceros voted for in 2012. I wonder whether they did the same thing as the Punjabi family Victor David Hanson knows in California:

http://www.hughhewitt.com/victor-davis-hansons-assessment-america-world-today-obamas-policies/


6 posted on 07/03/2014 10:10:44 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Viennacon

“Bundy Ranch 2.0 Dont dare try it fed scum.”

It appears such is what ‘they’ actually want. I do not think ‘they’ will be unprepared again. Holder re-activated the group responsible for bringing us Waco and Ruby Ridge.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 10:12:08 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: smokingfrog

“How are the cattle going to bother a mouse that is hibernating?”

Moo too loudly and wake him up.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 10:14:28 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 1 Cor. 13, V.36)
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To: george76

mouse gets better treatment than the veterans at the VA....


9 posted on 07/03/2014 10:15:33 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: smokingfrog
How are the cattle going to bother a mouse that is hibernating?

I don't think you're clear on the atual purpose of the Endangered Species Act...

(Hint: the actual endangered species are irrelevent)

10 posted on 07/03/2014 10:18:25 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: george76

I think the EPA thinks they have control over every water puddle from coast to coast.


11 posted on 07/03/2014 10:24:52 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

http://netrightdaily.com/2012/07/landowner-engages-in-clean-water-act-receives-epa-fine/

Yes they do. And they are trying to get it into new regulations even more specifically.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 10:29:13 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Graybeard58

Now that makes perfect sense!


13 posted on 07/03/2014 10:29:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: george76

Turn loose a whole bunch of cats, mice gone, problem solved.


14 posted on 07/03/2014 10:52:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: 21twelve

This is an agency created in 1970 by Nixon. What constitutional power do they have ?


15 posted on 07/03/2014 10:53:44 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: All
Interesting, the University of Michigan says that they are not endangered...

http://www.biokids.umich.edu/critters/Zapus_hudsonius/

and the Adirondack Ecological Center says they live lots of places -

Range and Habitat: The range is the southern half of Alaska, most of Canada, and the eastern two-thirds of the U.S. excluding much of the South. In the Adirondack Park, the meadow jumping mouse occurs from elevations to 700 m (2300 ft), and occasionally to 1220 m (4000 ft), in grassy shrubby sites such as meadows, fields, forest clearings and edges; the edges of swamps, marshes, and bogs. This species is especially abundant where ground cover is thick. The meadow jumping mouse builds nests of plant fibers 10-15 cm (4-6 in) in diameter, in clumps of grass, within the bases of hollow trees, in and under hollow logs, and underground to depths of 1 m (3 ft).

16 posted on 07/03/2014 11:13:28 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: smokingfrog

It reminds me of the Aplomado hawk. They made a rancher cover all his waters so they didn’t drown (Roll eyes) and he had to remove all his cattle when the birds were breeding. What happened, the adults abandoned their nests and followed the cattle.

These people are so stupid. Open bodies of water are natural and birds don’t drown unless something odd happens to them and any good rancher has a couple of 2x4s floating in the water tanks for bees and birds.

The reason these animals are there is because they have thrived there historically WITH cattle for a hundred years.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 11:25:04 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Nowhere Man

“Turn loose a whole bunch of cats, mice gone, problem solved.”

I’m sorry to say this, but you’ve missed the point entirely!


18 posted on 07/03/2014 11:51:01 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: Nowhere Man

Cats. That’s a great idea. Everyone should take cats from places where the are going to be killed anyway and any extra cats they can find and take them down to the jumping mouse villages and turn them loose.


19 posted on 07/04/2014 12:07:42 AM PDT by Octar
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To: george76

This story is bogus. I have been told that building a fence is an impossibility for the government.

Moderator please remove this specious post!


20 posted on 07/04/2014 12:18:17 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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