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NM ranching family tells feds: ‘Don’t fence us out’
New Mexico Watchdog ^ | July 3, 2014 | Rob Nikolewski

Posted on 07/03/2014 9:51:37 PM PDT by george76

Last month, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service listed the meadow jumping mouse as an endangered species. Now, the U.S. Forest Service, which oversees the Santa Fe National Forest, is considering erecting a series of 8-foot high fences to protect the mouse’s habitat.

The Luceros, members of the San Diego Cattleman’s Association and holders of grazing permits with the federal government, say the fences will lock out their cattle — as well as those of other permit holders — from ever returning to the meadow where the livestock graze for 20 days in the spring and up to 40 days in the fall.

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the mouse is active three to four months out of the year and spends the rest of its time hibernating.

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Some 275 miles south, in Otero County, the Forest Service reinforced locked gates to keep out cattle from a creek called the Agua Chiquita to protect the mouse’s habitat. .. An attorney for Otero County says the state of New Mexico – not the federal government – has the right to access to the water to the creek and a lawsuit may be in the offing.

While the locked gate in the Otero County controversy keeps out only cattle, the Luceros complain 8-foot fencing in the Forest Service proposal in the Santa Fe Forest would keep out just about all forms of wildlife, including elk.

(Excerpt) Read more at watchdog.org ...


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To: Rusty0604
What constitutional power do they have ?

The ESA cites a host of treaties held at the UN for its statutory authority.

41 posted on 07/05/2014 9:48:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: tiki
These people are so stupid.

No they're not. The budget to manage "recovery" is non-discretionary. Maintaining the mouse in its endangered status is job-security.

42 posted on 07/05/2014 9:49:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Are there actual criteria these people use to make these listings, or do they just pull the findings out of their asses at the behest of environ-MENTAL groups?

The law requires "the best available science." The bureaucrats then go about defining what that is in such a way that they can do as you suggested.

43 posted on 07/05/2014 9:51:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: EinNYC
The whole point is to save the mice lest yet another species goes extinct. But fencing out the cattle is a dumb idea as to how to go about it.

That is the ostensible point. The real point is to get the American public off Federal lands to become a bureaucratic fiefdom under the control of those who own feedlots and their suppliers.

44 posted on 07/05/2014 9:53:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: laplata
Knowing northern NM as I do, any fences put up by the Forest Service that serve to keep out humans won’t last long.

Reflectometry says those days are numbered.

45 posted on 07/05/2014 9:55:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Carry_Okie

What is Reflectometry?


46 posted on 07/05/2014 10:08:20 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
What is Reflectometry?

It is how power companies pinpoint a line break from the office. They send a pulse down the line and if the return waves bouncing off the various resistances changes, especially if the signal reflects off an open circuit, they can use the timing of the reflection to tell them where it is.

47 posted on 07/05/2014 10:15:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thanks for that info.

Reflectometry, in northern New Mexico would be looked upon as another stupid idea the Gringos came up with and ignore it or shoot out power lines.


48 posted on 07/05/2014 10:26:23 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
Reflectometry, in northern New Mexico would be looked upon as another stupid idea the Gringos came up with and ignore it or shoot out power lines.

Been there, many times and I've heard the bravado you express before too, and in communities that have since been destroyed. Once the welfare dependents and bureaucrats outnumber the working residents, that picture starts to change. Give it ten years and you won't recognize the place unless you win the battle the right way.

49 posted on 07/06/2014 7:13:00 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Good points. El Rito, north of Abiquiu, for instance, is now basically a liberal/progressive enclave. The government is their god.


50 posted on 07/06/2014 8:11:36 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: george76; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; budwiesest; sergeantdave; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Wull hay, George! We have a govermint run totally by whim and mob rule now!!! (just like Africa's post colonial MESS!!!)

Nothing but pussey thinking by left leaning "leaders!" People that think that critics of the founding and all other aspects of our christian/capitalistic nation are those who love America better than you and I!!!

51 posted on 07/06/2014 10:30:15 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama is mad! He's getting madder with each crisis and now he's a real MADMAN with no temper left!!!)
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To: george76

This endangered species crap has gone too far.


52 posted on 07/07/2014 6:31:05 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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