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Audiobook: Madison's Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787
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Posted on 07/04/2014 7:27:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Happy Independence Day everybody!

I would like to introduce my largest project to date: Attempting to put together one voice per Founder in the most important debate in American History.

The most important debate which nobody has ever heard. We are going to make sure people can finally hear it. You can listen to as well as download the files, here.

This is still very much a work in progress. I do not believe it is enough that people can read these notes, nor think that simply making the notes easier to read is enough. Given how they are written, it should not be surprising that any time I ask people if they have ever read them the answer is no.

These are powerful words. They need to be heard, they were meant to be heard. I am willing to put in as much effort as is necessary to complete the convention.


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: audiobook; constitution; convention; jamesmadison; madison
This is personally costing me a lot of money as well as time to pursue, as well as the personal time and effort of those who have volunteered.

It is the hope of all of us that this effort can help us advance the cause of Liberty.

1 posted on 07/04/2014 7:27:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Loud Mime; Grampa Dave; LearsFool; YHAOS; knarf; locountry1dr; ...

Audiobook Ping List

Send me a message if you want to be added.


2 posted on 07/04/2014 7:28:49 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: loveliberty2; Jacquerie; x

Ping


3 posted on 07/04/2014 7:29:54 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

bump for quieter time


4 posted on 07/04/2014 7:42:59 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I listened to the mp3’s. Congratulations, you did a wonderful job. Thank you


5 posted on 07/04/2014 7:53:00 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
More good stuff! Celebrate and explore the wonder of LIBERTY today!



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

6 posted on 07/04/2014 7:58:43 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: WHBates; ProgressingAmerica

Yep - bookmarked for further examination and dissemination.


7 posted on 07/04/2014 8:11:57 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Oprime número dos por español.


8 posted on 07/04/2014 8:21:15 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thank you very much for your dedication of time and your own money to produce this. I am always looking for good content to play on my way to work and this will be at the top of my list. I just listened to your first segment and I’m impressed. Well done!


9 posted on 07/04/2014 9:14:45 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Madison's notes from the first day of the convention send chills down my spine. Contrast this to the self-aggrandizing, shallow, ego-centric, braggart in the White House today who truly has "want of better qualifications."

General WASHINGTON was accordingly unanimously elected by ballot, and conducted to the Chair by Mr. R. Morris and Mr. Rutlidge; from which in a very emphatic manner he thanked the Convention for the honor they had conferred on him, reminded them of the novelty of the scene of business in which he was to act, lamented his want of better qualifications, and claimed the indulgence of the House towards the involuntary errors which his inexperience might occasion.

10 posted on 07/04/2014 9:24:48 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Congratulations!!!!!!


11 posted on 07/04/2014 9:35:42 AM PDT by Jacquerie (America 2017 - The tyrant may be gone, but the tyranny will remain.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

How long did your project take?


12 posted on 07/04/2014 10:30:56 AM PDT by Jacquerie (America 2017 - The tyrant may be gone, but the tyranny will remain.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; Jacquerie

Great Stuff! Thanks for your hard work!


13 posted on 07/04/2014 2:47:16 PM PDT by Loud Mime (arguetheconstitution.com See if the video makes sense to you.)
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To: bamahead

Thanks for the additional attention.


14 posted on 07/05/2014 5:19:11 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: Jacquerie

Several months, but it is still ongoing. I have much more to do.


15 posted on 07/05/2014 5:20:12 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; Loud Mime; Grampa Dave; ...

June 2nd is now available.

May 30th and 31st were also re-uploaded for corrections.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 12:20:17 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thanks for posting. Archive has a lot of free books and music. Snagged some good old Hank Williams Sr. gospel. Now I have the father of the constitution to listen to while I drive!


17 posted on 07/24/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; ...

June 4th/5th are up.


18 posted on 09/11/2014 4:15:41 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thanks for the BEEP!


19 posted on 09/12/2014 10:07:23 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Downloading! What a world we live in... we MUST pass it along in better shape than it is now. Madison had an uncanny wisdom of human nature and how our future would be if we fell back into our usual desire for an overlord / king - other than the True King.


20 posted on 09/12/2014 11:21:52 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; Loud Mime; Grampa Dave; ...

June 7th is now available.

June 6th was re-uploaded for a correction.


21 posted on 11/15/2014 12:09:00 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thank you for your hard work. Progressivism is truly America’s cancer.


22 posted on 11/16/2014 8:44:04 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: WHBates; miss marmelstein; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; ...
June 8th of the Convention has been uploaded.


23 posted on 12/08/2014 4:15:13 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thanks for the BEEP!


24 posted on 12/10/2014 10:31:11 AM PST by YHAOS
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Audiobook Ping

June 9th, June 14th, and August 6th have been uploaded.


25 posted on 12/21/2014 5:15:20 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: miss marmelstein; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; ...

June 11th has been completed and uploaded.


26 posted on 04/18/2015 2:45:04 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Bookmarked for later download.


27 posted on 04/19/2015 3:08:23 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: miss marmelstein; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; ...

The 12th and 13th are up.


28 posted on 05/13/2015 8:16:41 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thanks for the ping (and the article).


29 posted on 05/14/2015 9:36:31 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: miss marmelstein; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; ...

July 15th and 16th are up. (14th was uploaded quite some time ago)


30 posted on 08/10/2015 3:01:35 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

That’s June. Not July. The first 19 days are all in succession.


31 posted on 08/10/2015 3:06:28 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: miss marmelstein; Larry - Moe and Curly; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; conservatism_IS_compassion; ...

June 18th and 19th can be downloaded now.


32 posted on 09/29/2015 12:21:19 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressives do not want to discuss their history. I want to discuss their history.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Today’s issue of The Wall Street Journal includes a review of Madison’s Hand by Mary Sarah Bilder. The burden of Ms. Bilder’s book, if I may summarize my takeaway from the review by Robert K. Landers, is that Madison’s notes in their final published form are a reconstruction far more than a transcript.

Madison, after all, was a participant in the discussions, and could hardly have taken down notes with a quill pen while thinking on his feet. She contrasts the style of Madison’s notes of given speeches with those of other contemporaneous note-takers, and holds that others’ versions “depicted speeches in the unpolished way that people actually talk.” Whereas Madison’s final notes impose a more reasonable, measured tone and also a retrospective narrative.

According to this gloss on Madison, Madison himself went to the convention more inclined to agree with Hamilton’s desire for a diminution of the states. Madison wrote his notes with Jefferson as his imaginary audience, and Jefferson was alarmed at ‘monarchist” tendencies in Hamilton. Madison came to Jefferson’s opinion, and subsequently slanted his notes of his own comments - and slanted the Federalist Papers - more towards states' rights than his earlier actual notes of his own opinions would indicate.

Certainly sounds plausible, and I thought of you immediately upon reading the review.


33 posted on 10/24/2015 8:00:02 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I appreciate that, the amount of work that has and still will go into completing this is more than most will realize. I am happy to know its already capturing people's thoughts, somewhere.

As for the tone of the notes, I have also noticed certain things that lend it to being an after-narrative as opposed to a straight up transcript, and that's just working with what's online. She was working with the actually pages he wrote.

That being said, every single one of my volunteers(as well as myself) are constantly surprised at how often in the notes there is something that is a topic for debate, and it's almost like a direct pull out of the news or something that was in the news a few weeks/months ago. A current problem, etc, relating to the Constitution and how it is being disregarded.

We have all been told for a very long time that the "Founders could not have foreseen (fill in the blank)", yeah, they did. They did foresee it, It's all in the notes. Even if this is a reconstruction and not transcript, I find it difficult to believe that the whole thing would be a fabrication of Madison. Maybe one day the historians will "make progress" toward proclaiming that, but we aren't there yet.

I don't know how big of an impact this set of recordings will have once it is complete and can be downloaded in total, that's not for me project and make a decision on that basis. I just know that people need to hear this outside of the historical establishment's filters, and no matter where I go and the people I meet and discuss this with, I've not met one person who has read these notes. It's a very difficult read, I don't blame them. There's so much good stuff in this set of notes, it can only help our position to be more easily learned.

I did look into the WSJ book review you mentioned, here, and also this, and have been left with a takeaway that borders on suspicion. After, I looked her up as well as the judge she clerked for, there's probably not enough information for a definitive conclusion but my suspicion still remains. The thought did occur to me that her book did not meet/has not met the same reception as Cruz's Princeton "Clipping the Wings of Angels".

That aside, more than anything I hope that this project, once finalized, is both a wakeup call to any interested parties and even viewed as a shot across the bow to the historical establishment. We take our constitution seriously, and we're done with them distorting the record. Moreover, I hope it leads to someone doing this again who has greater resources. Anybody who reviews the Yale Avalon notes and compares that to what I have put together will notice the striking consistency to the fidelity of what Madison actually wrote, at least, as Yale has it transcribed anyways. That's what I can do, and will do.

I've had many restless nights thinking about what I could have done with this project, if only I had the resources of an institution at my disposal, and didn't have to be distracted with simply living life as it happens. 50+ dedicated people, who did solely nothing but this, with a sound studio and multiple microphones of excessively high quality, professional voices, etc. That's much more likely to happen after I am finished.

34 posted on 10/24/2015 10:18:19 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
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June 20th is now up. This puts the downloadable portion at over 25% of the first sequential days of the Convention.


35 posted on 12/11/2015 2:09:49 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
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June 27th is up.


36 posted on 01/22/2016 12:54:59 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
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June 21st of the Convention has been uploaded.


37 posted on 06/22/2016 1:34:37 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
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