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American Harley Davidson Employee Fired, Replaced By Cheaper Foreign-Born Worker
Downtrend.com ^ | July 6, 2014 | Brian Anderson

Posted on 07/08/2014 4:39:20 PM PDT by upchuck

Maybe it’s time we re-think what a proud American brand the Harley Davidson motorcycle company is. Not too long ago I told you about the man whose warranty claim was rejected by the company because he was flying an American flag on his bike. And who can forget their new addition of an all-electric motorcycle (seriously?) But those things pale in comparison to a story I just found: Harley Davidson uses the services of a company that helps them replace fairly paid American employees with cheap foreign-born workers through the H-1B visa program.

The LA Daily News tells us about Kelly Parker, a divorced mother of three, who landed her dream job at Harley Davidson in tech support. That dream turned into a nightmare when she was laid off less than a year later, replaced by an H-1B “guest worker” from India. The biggest indignation: Parker had to train her replacement before she was fired.

The company that helped Kelly Parker to the unemployment line is the India-based Infosys Ltd. What they do is help companies like Harley Davidson ditch their American workers in favor of lower cost Asians and Indians. They do this through the H-1B visa program, which allows foreigners special access to America if they can fill jobs that no American is capable of or willing to do.

Of course, the H-1B program has been completely abused by companies that want to cut labor costs. Instead of shipping jobs overseas, they bring overseas here to take American jobs. Different scheme; same results. Americans lose jobs.

The H-1B program is supposed to be for filling skilled and tech jobs, but what this government created clusterf**k really does is get Americans fired and keep them from ever getting hired in the first place. Companies do not have to prove that there are no Americans available for a given position, and, as we’ve seen with Kelly Parker, are perfectly within their rights to can an American that already holds a position.

Hey, Obama was right. The immigration system is broken and badly in need of repair. However, the problem isn’t that we aren’t letting millions of illegal aliens become citizens, it’s that even with legal immigration Americans are getting screwed.

It should be noted that Obama and the democrats are not only pushing amnesty, but also a massive expansion of the H-1B program, which will put even more Americans out of work.

This is how messed up things currently are: no one even keeps statistics on how many H-1B workers there are in the US. The best estimates put the number at around 600,000. Let that sink in for a moment. Well over a half a million mostly skilled and high-tech jobs are occupied by foreigners while a record number of Americans can’t find work. And Obama wants to expand this? What an a$$hole.

So while the federal government and apparently Harley Davidson are working against the interests of American workers, Kelly Parker is doing something uniquely American: she is fighting back. She has joined a federal lawsuit that claims in part that Infosys Ltd. has discriminated against workers based on their country of origin by replacing Americans with foreigners. I hope like hell the lawsuit succeeds. It won’t end the H-1B visa scam, but it might make companies a little more reluctant to abuse the program.

So Harley Davidson is just like any other corporation where the bottom line is the only important thing. They are not unique is this cold heartless approach to running a business. However, Harley sells itself as a brand that represents freedom and the American way. I guess now we all know that’s just an image cooked up by some ad agency, because their recent actions tell a different story.


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Harley Davidson? Hard to believe.
1 posted on 07/08/2014 4:39:20 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Doing the jobs that Americans won’t do . . . . uh . . . . wait a minute . . . . . never mind . . . . .


2 posted on 07/08/2014 4:40:10 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: upchuck

Good thing we are bringing hundreds of thousands of low-skilled, poorly educated ‘workers’ into the U.S. since there’s such a shortage of people in need of job...


3 posted on 07/08/2014 4:43:22 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: upchuck

Sounds like time to buy an Indian motorcycle...or will that name be changed for political correctness? /s;)


4 posted on 07/08/2014 4:44:01 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: upchuck

Buy a Honda. They don’t hire foreign labor.


5 posted on 07/08/2014 4:46:23 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: 1raider1

LOL that’s a good one.

In our local Independence Day parade there was a Pearl Harbor survivor riding in a Honda SUV.

Only a few of us old guys got the irony.


6 posted on 07/08/2014 4:51:10 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: upchuck

Harley didn’t do this and more likely an unintended outcome.

They’ll likely remedy.

They’re good guys.

I got to see the museum in York, PA unattended after an appointment. No one goes in there alone and I felt like I was at the Vatican.


7 posted on 07/08/2014 4:52:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: upchuck
Yeah, I was a bit shocked to hear this too. I work in a high-tech company, with many AMERICAN colleagues walking around in HD shirts and many HD bikes in the parking lot. I think they are a bit astounded too.

Not surprised though. I'm in the position to peer into the makeup of many of the IT datacenters and NOC's. More and more there are people with names, accents, and attitudes that pretty much indicate "they're not from around here". It's when I see these name and hear these voices coming from email domain names that you wouldn't expect it that I get concerned. We hear through the grapevine how upper management wants more H1b visa's because they can't find the skills, but when they come an American worker is let go to "make room" (ie. save $$$). The $$$ guys feel anyone with a certification, fancy resume and a visa is a steal. Trouble is, most of it is faked, and even after forcing the American IT worker to train his/her replacement, that person hasn't learned the job and usually ends up calling their friends or company vendors to do their job for them.

Makes me sick, and I'm working to "Go Galt" over it...!

8 posted on 07/08/2014 4:56:39 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Vendome

Unions and the minimum wage are job killers, crippling the free enterprise system. Add to that the burdensome regulations imposed by the hussein/holder crime syndicate as well as the confiscatory taxes, it’s remarkable that any corporation is able to make a profit nowadays. Get rid of the NLRB, EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage. Then America will come roaring back as commie Red China is reduced again to a third world backwater.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 4:58:39 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

We’ll get rid of them meddlesome things and America will swamp every country out their.

It’s a work ethic thing.

Zee Fwench sure don’t have it and china only makes products best sold on Canal Street, in Manhattan.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 5:02:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: upchuck

But I still think it stinks.

11 posted on 07/08/2014 5:04:37 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: upchuck

Hey, they’re making ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES NOW for God’s sake.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 5:05:45 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: nascarnation

That Honda may be more American than a Chevy truck. Check the VIN.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 5:10:08 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: upchuck
It should be noted that Obama and the democrats are not only pushing amnesty, but also a massive expansion of the H-1B program, which will put even more Americans out of work.

It should also be noted that Republicans are pushing for an expansion of H-1B just as hard.

14 posted on 07/08/2014 5:13:05 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: 1raider1

>>Buy a Honda<<

Rather walk twenty miles over broken glass barefooted.


15 posted on 07/08/2014 5:14:56 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 50sDad

Sounds like Harley may be going back to it’s AMF day’s.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 5:16:06 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Frank_2001

But will Indian fill their tech support positions with...Indians?

Seriously, most of the time I call customer service lines these days I get someone with a thick accent. I’ve been to job fairs a where they had openings for customer support specialists “bilingual only”, meaning Hispanics only. Now when I get someone with an accent I don’t even waste my time with them. I tell them, “I’m sorry but I can’t understand you because of your accent. I would like to speak to someone whose first language is English please”. Frankly I don’t care if they are offended, because I’m offended that companies won’t hire native born Americans.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 5:19:44 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: upchuck

Who started the H1B program?


18 posted on 07/08/2014 5:25:26 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: Hugin

I tried to have a conversation with a state employee once and couldn’t understand her. I told her I didn’t speak Swahili. I heard her screaming something in Swahili as I was hanging up.


19 posted on 07/08/2014 5:28:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: nascarnation
Pearl Harbor survivor riding in a Honda SUV.

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Should've been in a Mazda ... here's a pic of Mazda's Hiroshima plant ,, I hear they got the land for a great price..


20 posted on 07/08/2014 5:34:25 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Frank_2001
Sounds like time to buy an Indian motorcycle...or will that name be changed for political correctness? /s;)

Maybe it needs to be changed... to "Redskins!"...ba-da-bing!

21 posted on 07/08/2014 5:35:38 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: servantboy777

Rather walk twenty miles over broken glass barefooted.
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I was going to write something snarky about AMF but I decided it was too easy and wouldn’t be funny.


22 posted on 07/08/2014 5:36:26 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: upchuck

The biggest indignation: Parker had to train her replacement before she was fired.
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This is referred to as “digging your own grave”.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 5:37:20 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: upchuck

Any details on the firing? Reasons given?


24 posted on 07/08/2014 5:55:14 PM PDT by Figment
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To: upchuck

Here in York (PA), there’s a BIG Harley-Davidson Assembly/Shipping plant, and that crap’ll go over badly. I find it hard to believe the unions will let it just happen.


25 posted on 07/08/2014 6:03:03 PM PDT by carriage_hill ( Incoming fire always has the right of way.)
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To: upchuck

Something doesn’t sound right with the article.


26 posted on 07/08/2014 6:10:46 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Neidermeyer

No, really, it would have been.

First thing I could think of is, Ah, Harley bowling balls...finest in the world. lol


27 posted on 07/08/2014 6:12:29 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Frank_2001

Heard the new name of Indian will be Cactus Cycle and Tumbleweed. /S


28 posted on 07/08/2014 6:15:03 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall pass.")
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To: VerySadAmerican
Who started the H1B program?

Does it matter? The important questiin is WHO WILL END IT?

29 posted on 07/08/2014 6:16:25 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: carriage_hill

I believe the unions won’t care... anything to screw management... and when the craft gets a bunch of know nothing supervisiors and engineers in the plant they can just flim flam them... I have seen this before.


30 posted on 07/08/2014 6:19:16 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: upchuck

bump


31 posted on 07/08/2014 6:24:07 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: DoodleDawg

“It should also be noted that Republicans are pushing for an expansion of H-1B just as hard. “

Treason, it’s not just for Democrats anymore.


32 posted on 07/08/2014 6:27:10 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: 50sDad
Hey, they’re making ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES NOW for God’s sake.

Are they subsidized? If not, who gives a crap? Nothing wrong with electric as long as the gov't stays out of it. The free market will decide.

33 posted on 07/08/2014 6:45:17 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: upchuck

I’m always skeptical when I read stories like this anymore. With the regime constantly undermining everything that is the heart of America, this could be just another one of their misinformation “plants” to turn us away from the institution that is Harley Davidson. I don’t trust these pricks (jugears) for a second!


34 posted on 07/08/2014 6:46:19 PM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: upchuck

Train your replacement? I never met anybody dumb enough to do that.


35 posted on 07/08/2014 6:51:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: carriage_hill

The Unions have nothing to do with tech support people as they do not represent them.

H-D did outsource some tech support time to an Indian company. Can’t say about this specific case, but this certainly isn’t new in the American corporate scene.

H-D is a company with the goal of making money like any other. They will look for ways to cut costs the same way any other would. Why is anyone surprised by this?

The electric bike (not in production BTW) is just a response to their view of the market demand. If they think it will make money, they’ll manufacturer and sell them.


36 posted on 07/08/2014 6:54:53 PM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: upchuck

Ok so I get why on Fox news CAvuto, he talks of Corporations wanting to reform H1 visas...its all for low wage nonAmericans replacing American white collar employees.

So it looks like the American worker has no one on our side. The DNC want illegals, the GOP wants big Corp money and Unions want illegals.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 7:09:13 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: 1raider1

Never! Until they make seamless gas tanks!


38 posted on 07/08/2014 7:22:18 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

It’s just an experimental unit.


39 posted on 07/08/2014 7:25:30 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Vendome

I thought H-D was an “employee-owned” company.


40 posted on 07/08/2014 7:29:50 PM PDT by cll (Serviam!)
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To: TigerClaws
Yea, those rocket scientists are rocketing themselves over our border fence.
And how about all those future NASA employees and inventers.
41 posted on 07/08/2014 7:46:25 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Train your replacement? I never met anybody dumb enough to do that.

Extremely common in high tech, and your severance benefits are linked to your compliance. A foul, perverted practice liberals exult in from inside their corporate hives. Liberalism is not for the weak stomached - they eat their own, slowly, to keep each other in terrified obedience to the group.

And then after years of perfect compliance, they eat you anyway. And why?

Because if they didn't, people might think there was a way to stay safe. Can't have that.

42 posted on 07/08/2014 7:47:02 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Rodamala; lightman

In 2007, the H-D Plant was struck and shut down for weeks, over a two-tier wage system mgmt wanted in place for new hires (lower wages/benefits) and established-tenure employees (higher wages/benefits).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/feb/2/20070202-100151-5155r/

By 2012, massive change had come: half the facility had been removed and the land is still for sale for industrial use.

Half the employees are gone into other plants — Indian, other H-D locations, early buy-outs and retirements, other mfgrs — but the plant is much more efficient and quality is markedly up, to customers’ delight and industry reviews.

The unions were shown to be what they’ve been good at: delays, problems, line shutdowns, parts shortages, poor pre-planning etc.

Mgmt is in charge of all physical campuses, inventory, marketing, sales, all decisions and they’ve solidified their grip on the corporate QC, and have edged the unions into a well-lit corner, to keep an eye on them.

The mgmt investment to date simply won’t allow second rate H1B-Visa immigrants to ruin what’s in-place and functioning superbly, and which model is being exported to all of H-Ds other operations.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/harley-plant-undergoes-whirlwind-of-change-vc4srit-146568165.html

While not a pleasant alternative, HD mgmt has shown that they can replace all union personnel and still turn out quality product, after adequate training, and other plants’ workers are brought in to work and supervise the low-tier hires.

Whether it’ll happen is another matter.


43 posted on 07/08/2014 7:52:10 PM PDT by carriage_hill ( Incoming fire always has the right of way.)
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To: carriage_hill

It won’t?


44 posted on 07/08/2014 7:54:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I no longer have any inside friends or mgmt contacts at the plant; they’re retired or relocated and I haven’t made any new efforts to re-establish. With pay and benefit cuts, and downscaling, while demands for high production and quality levels increase at the monthly mgmt/union meetings, many workers are not happy, as ‘intimated’ in the trade media. The local fishwrap always paint a brighter picture, fearing another major industrial loss like CAT, back in 1998, losing 3,500 jobs. I don’t know much more than what I hear, either from ex-workers or the occasional relative of a current employee. I take what I hear with a grain of salt, with no inside track on info, anymore.


45 posted on 07/08/2014 8:12:07 PM PDT by carriage_hill ( Incoming fire always has the right of way.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Train your replacement? I never met anybody dumb enough to do that.

Your company comes to you and offers a very generous "Exit" bonus of money and benefits. In return you have to train your replacement. Or, you can take your chances with a much lesser amount from unemployment. What will you do?

46 posted on 07/08/2014 8:37:57 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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To: upchuck

Preparing my flame proof suit...

Harley has always been and will always remain unreliable junk.

Said it and meant it.


47 posted on 07/08/2014 9:19:45 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Bushbacker1

I agree, it smells off.


48 posted on 07/08/2014 9:54:41 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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To: nascarnation

There is irony, but in many ways, the Japanese embraced many American ideas as we discarded them. Toyota and Honda accounted for 5 of the top 10 American-built cars with more than 75 percent American content in 2012.


49 posted on 07/08/2014 10:01:57 PM PDT by MediaMole
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