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Reporting Rape, and Wishing She Hadnít
© 2014 The New York Times Company ^ | JULY 12, 2014 | By WALT BOGDANICH

Posted on 07/13/2014 1:09:50 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

he was 18 years old, a freshman, and had been on campus for just two weeks when one Saturday night last September her friends grew worried because she had been drinking and suddenly disappeared.

Around midnight, the missing girl texted a friend, saying she was frightened by a student she had met that evening. “Idk what to do,” she wrote. “I’m scared.” When she did not answer a call, the friend began searching for her.

In the early-morning hours on the campus of Hobart and William Smith Colleges in central New York, the friend said, he found her — bent over a pool table as a football player appeared to be sexually assaulting her from behind in a darkened dance hall with six or seven people watching and laughing. Some had their cellphones out, apparently taking pictures, he said....tests later found sperm or semen in her vagina, in her rectum and on her underwear.

It took the college just 12 days to investigate the rape report, hold a hearing and clear the football players. The football team went on to finish undefeated in its conference, while the woman was left, she said, to face the consequences — threats and harassment for accusing members of the most popular sports team on campus....

the district attorney, R. Michael Tantillo, said he had “virtually nothing to work with” and quickly closed the case.

Although federal officials estimate that up to 20 percent of college students will be sexually assaulted in school, Mr. Tantillo said he rarely heard of such reports at Hobart and William Smith. “I guess that’s your job to find out why,” he told a reporter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hobart; michael; rape; tantillo

1 posted on 07/13/2014 1:09:50 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Have we got a college?
Have we got a football team?
Well, we can’t afford both.
Tomorrow we start tearing down the college!”

Groucho Marx

Well at least we know who is running our Colleges and Universities now. Come to think of it, Groucho Marx would probably be an improvement over the fools in charge now.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 1:15:01 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Academia continues its War On Women.
The Political Party in charge of NY state enables this.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 1:19:32 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Now if it had been a white non-athlete, and he had merely talked to her with her not being attracted to him, then he would have been expelled immediately.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 1:21:09 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t notice any mention of the police having been called.


5 posted on 07/13/2014 1:23:55 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Why women need to carry a gun.


6 posted on 07/13/2014 1:24:10 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

txt messages, pictures and video and the semen were “nothing to work with”??


7 posted on 07/13/2014 1:24:13 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

probably the campus police and they were probably told to go light on the players


8 posted on 07/13/2014 1:25:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If that had been my daughter there would be a half-dozen football players with broken kneecaps, if they lived.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 1:30:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What has NOW said about this?


10 posted on 07/13/2014 1:32:02 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: GeronL

One good thing about football players is they are public and out in the open. Bad thing for them is a major accident can bring them down to just normal folks that walk funny.


11 posted on 07/13/2014 1:34:39 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I too have never understood why these felonies are adjudicated by the schools and not the police. This is a horrible crime, at least as it’s alleged to have happened, and how on earth does it go completely unpunished?


12 posted on 07/13/2014 1:46:35 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

No wonder the military has the same if not worse problems.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 1:47:39 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: babble-on
I too have never understood why these felonies are adjudicated by the schools and not the police. This is a horrible crime, at least as it’s alleged to have happened, and how on earth does it go completely unpunished?

According to the article, the DA investigated and didn't press charges. Probably the players claimed it was consensual.

14 posted on 07/13/2014 1:51:13 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
My kid had a problem at a university here in Virginia. A stalker who kept following and touching. The city police, the campus police, the school's teachers and the dean, all did nothing. I went to a judge and got a restraining order. Solved the problem but the university KICKED MY KID OFF OF CAMPUS! Almost all the law firms in the city work for the university and wouldn't talk to me and even the Commonwealth Attorney wished me luck and hung up the phone! In the end, we switched schools with songs in our heart. I know they think they won but, like the traitors in our government, a time will come when the wheat shall be separated from the chaff....
15 posted on 07/13/2014 2:02:17 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Kirkwood

Seriously, why EVERYONE needs to carry a gun.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 2:11:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The Bryant case in CO gave the green light to that kind of corruption, and oddly, rapes by college athletes very often include the worse and more damaging crime of sodomy.


17 posted on 07/13/2014 2:17:26 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is why young women should be raised to defend themselves. Defense is both passive and active. For example, do not ever go to a fraternity party, because they are inherently unsafe, even if a group of women go together.

Do not drink a drink unless you have had control over it from the start. If you do not have it in your hand and under observation at any time, get a new drink.

If you feel threatened with sexual assault, it is imperative that you discreetly draw a knife and slash your attacker. Nothing quite says “No!” like a foot long gash that is bleeding profusely.


18 posted on 07/13/2014 2:29:14 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: GeronL

There was probably nothing admissible left for the DA by the time the campus “police” finished their “investigation”.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 2:34:59 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

more likely, their clean up


20 posted on 07/13/2014 2:35:56 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The football players get a free pass from the majority of schools including high schools. This has been going on for at least several generations.


21 posted on 07/13/2014 2:53:03 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: ArtDodger

How does THAT happen? Was the stalker a star athlete or from a well-connected family? Disgraceful!


22 posted on 07/13/2014 2:54:43 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Secret Agent Man

It would be very funny if certain football stars started getting some Achilles heel cuts at autumn parties this year, me thinks.

Especially if they get themselves in compromising situations.


23 posted on 07/13/2014 2:58:59 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Mentally disturbed people shouldn’t carry guns. Also, men who gang rape women shouldn’t carry guns either. I could go on.


24 posted on 07/13/2014 3:28:30 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What I don’t get is why this crap is handled by the school. Rape is a felony. Call the cops.

And Hobart football is a small D3 school. They make it sound like these are Division I powerhouse schools with millions of dollars on the line.

A little context is in order.


25 posted on 07/13/2014 3:39:32 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This is why young girls have to learn not to get drunk.

I am almost happy that my girls live in a “rich” town where there were always drinking parties. I am happy about it because they both learned at a very early age about what happens when boys and girls get fall down drunk at the Friday night football game.

It never got to the proportion cited in the story, but they knew enough not to drink and leave their friends.

They learned early that pretty girls are easy prey when they are drunk and separated from the herd.

And really, for those thinking she should carry a weapon—think about what condition this young woman was at the time. There is no way she should have been carrying a weapon. No way in hell.


26 posted on 07/13/2014 3:44:03 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Hobart and William Smith’s president, Mark D. Gearan, sent letters to the college community, saying the school was confident it had not violated federal law. The school’s policies and procedures “reflect our commitment to creating and maintaining an academic environment that is free from sexual harassment and misconduct,” wrote Mr. Gearan, a former Peace Corps director and White House aide to Bill Clinton.

You can't make this stuff up.

27 posted on 07/13/2014 4:40:22 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Vermont Lt
This is why young girls have to learn not to get drunk.

In all fairness a Coke and a roofie (in the coke) and it's game over. She doesn't have to take a drink of any alcoholic beverage.

The type of people who will take advantage of a young lady really don't care if she's drunk, just out of it or subdued enough (by whatever means--shock included). By the time she knows she's in trouble, she's in trouble.

28 posted on 07/13/2014 5:02:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kirkwood

aparently you don’t get the implied ‘law-abiding’ inherent in the comment. this is fr,not du. my mistake, didn’t think i’d have to clarify.


29 posted on 07/13/2014 5:07:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Seriously, why EVERYONE needs to carry a gun.”

Getting stupid drunk is not a good time to carry a gun. Bad things happen when girls get drunk with strangers.


30 posted on 07/13/2014 5:34:08 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: ArtDodger

>>My kid had a problem at a university here in Virginia.<<

Name of the university is ...........


31 posted on 07/13/2014 5:37:19 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

no sh1t. why would you think that’s what i meant? cmon use your brain.

when i said everyone i meant males and females, law abiding. crap, man. think.


32 posted on 07/13/2014 5:55:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“no sh1t. why would you think that’s what i meant? cmon use your brain. when i said everyone i meant males and females, law abiding. crap, man. think.”

Dont blame me for your poor communication skills. During a thread about a drunken girl getting raped someone said that was Why women need to carry a gun. You didnt disagree with the implication that a drunken chick should have a gun and instead expanded that to EVERYONE. I dont know you and I’m not a mind reader. Sorry I hurt your delicate feelings.


33 posted on 07/13/2014 7:29:24 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Was Hillary Clinton acting as the players’ attorney?


34 posted on 07/13/2014 8:14:26 PM PDT by Hoodat (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

try reading a comment in the context it’s offered. the context was that it’s not just women who ought to be carrying.

why didn’t you correct the person who said all women should carry and correct them for not pointing out the exceptions you rip on me for?

jerk.


35 posted on 07/13/2014 9:48:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Shades of Penn State.


36 posted on 07/14/2014 2:26:58 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Kirkwood

My thoughts. These women do not fight back? What is going on?


37 posted on 07/14/2014 2:28:54 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate bump


38 posted on 07/14/2014 4:49:00 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
What has NOW said about this?

Too busy making sure women don't have to pay $10/month for birth control pills.

39 posted on 07/14/2014 4:54:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I did not understand this in 1968, and I don’t understand it now.

My mother, and my grandmother, and all the generations of women before them, knew how to stay safe with regard to the opposite sex.

Hopefully, my daughters do, as well.

WTF????


40 posted on 07/14/2014 4:58:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“try reading a comment in the context it’s offered. the context was that it’s not just women who ought to be carrying.”

The context was guns carried by drunks.

“why didn’t you correct the person who said all women should carry and correct them for not pointing out the exceptions you rip on me for?”

I didnt rip you. I said “Getting stupid drunk is not a good time to carry a gun.” You seem to agree with that so why are you so upset? You must be incredibly thin skinned.

“jerk.”
You really need to work on your social skills.


41 posted on 07/14/2014 5:07:58 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Very disheartening to read this as I am a Hobart alum. Also read the President’s response and while I understand the frustration he has in that the reporter tended to leave out stuff he seems to miss the point. In a situation like this your processes are secondary and your response shouldn’t focus on trying to prove you did everything you could.

I read a number of the responses in the NY Times and it’s silly how stupid many of they were, particularly those who tried to blame this so-called cover-up on the need to keep making a lot of money to protect the football program.

As one poster noted, Hobart is a VERY small D3 school and the football program generates very little revenue since most of the attending fans are students, who pay little or nothing to go to the games. The team COSTS money, it does not contribute cash flow to the school’s treasury.

The author actually tried to insinuate that the football team is the most popular on campus, which is way off base since the lacrosse program is where the school gets it’s biggest PR impact, having been high-profile for decades.

I will say that in my day (class of ‘80), a few lacrosse players were protected, but from fighting and vandalism, not rape (and ironically they were also Kappa Sigma brothers, so just maybe that fraternity leadership needs to take a look at itself too). And my son goes to school in Tallahassee so the the Winston case is also fresh in my mind. We all know that top athletes tend to get special treatment in high school and college and it’s true that schools need to change their thinking on that.

One thing I noted was that it took the author great effort to note that the first person that tried to intervene was a MALE student friend of the young woman, but that almost comes out grudgingly, as if that would hurt the crusade they were on.

Of course, nowhere in the author’s paradigm does it seem that the young woman should be at least scolded for allowing herself to drink twice the amount of legal driving limits. While keeping yourself under control is no guarantee you won’t become a victim it certainly doesn’t hurt your chances either. With all the efforts that academia has put into so-called anti-rape programs it still comes down to the ability of individuals to not put themselves in a position to be taken advantage of, either physically of mentally. This woman clearly had a self-esteem issue, which she actually admits early in the article by indicating that she wasn’t thin, blonde and wearing expensive clothing.

As for the football players . . . less said the better. Even if consensual you DON’T TAKE ADVANTAGE of a DRUNK WOMAN.

PERIOD.

If you do you have some really low self-esteem of your own and you have no idea of what it truly is to be a man.


42 posted on 07/14/2014 5:37:28 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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