Death Panels? Obama Admin May Pay Doctors to Conduct “End of Life” Discussions With Patients

Life News ^ | 7/16/14 | Jennifer Popik, JD

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As Pollack acknowledges, “The ‘death panel’ charge stuck because it tapped into the primeval fears of millions of Americans.

Actually, the charge stuck because it's TRUE.

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[Gaffer]

End of Life discussion? Who are we talking about here? The patient......or the doctor?

[MeshugeMikey]

“advance care planning sessions”

how special.....and ever so very Planned Parenthood like

[BenLurkin]

[tacticalogic]

End of Life discussion? Who are we talking about here? The patient......or the doctor?

Or Obama?

[Texas Eagle]

“The ‘death panel’ charge stuck because it tapped into the primeval fears of millions of Americans. It’s only human to worry that we might someday be abandoned when we are old and sick, and thus judged to be a social burden. Such worries run especially deep among senior citizens, who had the most reason to feel vulnerable...

There's a certain amount of Cosmic justice involved here.

Our vaunted and venerated Senior Citizens have been voting for these control freaks for decades. Falling for their promises of goodies and bennies while not considering that it will be their own children and grandchildren who will pay for it all.

Not ALL of them obviously, but enough.

I saw a bumper sticker on an RV once that read, "Spending our kids' inheritance"

Yeah. Not to mention their taxes.

Okay. Commence flaming.....now.

[I want the USA back]

I predicted that they would make us pay for abortions, sex ‘change’ operations, aids treatment, and euthanasia, while sending normal old people off to die.
I know these people.

[Kackikat]

Please be careful what you say, because all of ‘The Greatest Generation’ aren’t dead, yet. You have no idea how many of the Boomer generation were Patriots. A bunch of insane kooks like Ayers do not represent the whole group.

I have a family member facing the death panel soon, as she has run out of money (over $100,000 cash wiped out within 2 years by dems who took control of the money via her disgruntled sister) and is being transferred from the DSS control of person, to an agency for the person that makes these ‘end of life planning’ decisions.

She told everyone beware Obama, and did not vote for him.

I find the following statement offensive....ignorant. My generation is more conservative than younger generations.

“There’s a certain amount of Cosmic justice involved here.

Our vaunted and venerated Senior Citizens have been voting for these control freaks for decades. Falling for their promises of goodies and bennies while not considering that it will be their own children and grandchildren who will pay for it all.”

Unbelievable!

[MichaelCorleone]

Isn't's it generous of HHS to allow the elderly time to discuss their fate with a ‘caring’ professional? But I'm sure the predetermined conclusions come out pretty much the same - ‘Thanks for your service as part of the Greatest Generation but, well...bye.

As obama once proudly stated: “Just give ‘em a pain pill”.

[DJ MacWoW]

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[ExTxMarine]

This is only a small PART of the death panels.

The fact is, there will be a panel of bean-counters who will determine if a medical procedure is "cost effective" based on your expected "quality of life" after the procedure; if the quality of life isn't greatly improved (at the VA it is like 75% or better), then the procedure will NOT BE APPROVED!

This will be coming down, it is IN THE LAW, and it is required in order to keep costs down.

THAT IS THE DEATH PANEL! This is nothing more than the doctors want to get paid EXTRA to tell you that your procedure has been denied by the DEATH PANEL!

[redgolum]

I have been saying for sometime now that I pity the fate in store for the Boomers.

A great many in my generation will have little issue with this. After hearing for years that we OWE them a second childhood, the next logical step is that the one paying the bills gets to make the decisions.

Sadly, most don’t want to hear that. The life of a turkey is mighty fine till the day before Thanksgiving I guess.

[MichaelCorleone]

I think you are in error, TX Eagle, at least on this point. The WWII generation had it's roots in a much more decent, honest, and civilized era. This is very foreign to us now, but then it was true that a man's word was good as gold. Not always of course but generally.

They never dreamed the government would morph into such a corrupt and self-serving organization. Who ever imagined a government systematically dismantling the fabric of this great nation AND a media so willing to aid and abet?

I think you should cut them a little more slack.

[Texas Eagle]

Please be careful what you say, because all of ‘The Greatest Generation’ aren’t dead, yet.

I was careful. Didn't you notice how I capitalized the word "all" after the word "not"? Apparently not. Please re-read. I accept your apology ahead of time.

You have no idea how many of the Boomer generation were Patriots.

It's not a question of their patriotism. It's a comment on their gullibility and selfishnesss.

A bunch of insane kooks like Ayers do not represent the whole group.

Please re-read my opening statement once again. I didn't say he did. Obviously these Congressholes handing out goodies garnered more than 50% of the vote, though, and I wasn't around to vote for them when they started their careers 50 years ago.

I have a family member facing the death panel soon, as she has run out of money (over $100,000 cash wiped out within 2 years by dems who took control of the money via her disgruntled sister) and is being transferred from the DSS control of person, to an agency for the person that makes these ‘end of life planning’ decisions. She told everyone beware Obama, and did not vote for him.

This didn't start with Obama. It started decades ago. Your family member may very well have voted for Congressholes her entire life who promised him or her a lifetime of ease. If she didn't, enough of her friends and fellow family members obviously did. That's my whole point.

I find the following statement offensive....ignorant. My generation is more conservative than younger generations.

I have no idea who the ignoramus was who made such an ignorant statement, but I wholeheartedly agree.

“There’s a certain amount of Cosmic justice involved here. Our vaunted and venerated Senior Citizens have been voting for these control freaks for decades. Falling for their promises of goodies and bennies while not considering that it will be their own children and grandchildren who will pay for it all.”

Amen.

Unbelievable!

And that is why people like Obama (if that's his real name) will continue to be elected well into the future.

It takes courage to face facts.

[Kackikat]

Obamacare allows ‘death panels’ with nice names for local beaurocrats, who take over from your STATE agency (DSS) who controls the person, if even one complaint is filed against a caretaker, DPOA, or child... They appoint a Guardian of the Estate, and then they can fleece the person. Once the money is gone and no money left for nursing home, then that person is transferred from ‘DSS guardianship of the person” to” ‘local group (name?) guardian of the person’ by a court hearing. Then decisions for their care is made by that panel.
They counsel them in ‘end of life’ decisions.

Sarah Palin termed it ‘death panels’ as suicide is part of that ‘end of life’ decision. Dementia patients will sign anything.

[Pontiac]

Of course, what people experience when terminally ill varies widely depending on the particular illness and many other factors, but this booklet seemed designed to lead people to believe that life with terminal illness will be almost unremittingly bleak. In the words of Paul Malley, President of the national non-profit organization Aging with Dignity, “’Your Life, Your Choices’ encourages our nation’s service men and women to look at illness and disability as things that render life not worth living.” .

It was onlhy a matter of time until Death Panels reemerged.

Once government becomes the sole provider of medical care the financial incentive to reduce the amount of health care that individuals consume must become of paramount importance.

Who uses the most medical care? Those approaching the end of life of course. How can we reduce the amount of health care these people consume? Obviously by ending their life sooner.

Other financial incentives also emerge. It is typically the old who are approaching the end of life. The old are typically also not paying taxes any longer but are receiving entitlement payments.

So there are several financial incentives pushing the government toward Death Panels. Ending life prolonging treatments cuts the cost of medical treatment for those dying and cuts short the payments to the old and no longer productive (tax wise) entitlement recipients.

Now that government health care is reality it is only a matter of time before we are all subjected to the advise from a government health care advisor Time to Die'

[Texas Eagle]

The WWII generation had it's roots in a much more decent, honest, and civilized era.

I agree.

But if you look at how many Congressholes are in their 80s, 90s and 100s, you cannot deny they started their careers well before people even in their 50s such as myself ever had a chance to vote for them.

Admittedly, my fellow Baby Boomers have our own slate of Candymans (Candymen?) to account for.

We will pay the piper ourselves one day unless we warn our own children and grandchildren what their future holds because of our selfishness.

Start by begging their forgiveness.

[tacticalogic]

Obamacare allows ‘death panels’ with nice names for local beaurocrats, who take over from your STATE agency (DSS) who controls the person, if even one complaint is filed against a caretaker, DPOA, or child... They appoint a Guardian of the Estate, and then they can fleece the person. Once the money is gone and no money left for nursing home, then that person is transferred from ‘DSS guardianship of the person” to” ‘local group (name?) guardian of the person’ by a court hearing. Then decisions for their care is made by that panel. They counsel them in ‘end of life’ decisions.

That's all true. It's also true that between the screwed up coverage and the screwed up reimbursements, both doctors and patients could easily find some common ground in their private conversations.