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Russia Accuses the U.S. of Faking MH17 Evidence
The Daily Mail Online ^ | Ju;y 24, 2014 | Wire / Polly Mosendz

Posted on 07/24/2014 6:45:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, Kremlin officials suggested that the United States has created fake evidence to implicate pro-Russian separatists in the shooting of Malaysia Airline Flight 17.

Anatoly Antonov, deputy defense minister, said that U.S. intelligence did not do diligent research, and instead "mostly cited social networks."

In fact, had U.S. intelligence cited only social networks, they would have been able to confirm the separatists were responsible almost two hours before anyone knew the plane crashed.

Before news of the MH17 crash broke, rebel leader Igor Girkin posted on social media that rebels had shot down a "military transport aircraft."

Instead, it ended up being a commercial airliner. Girkin quickly removed the post.

Russia's ambassador to Britain, Alexander Yakovenko, also said the U.S. has no real evidence.

"Russia doesn't supply weapons to local de facto (separatist) authorities in eastern Ukraine...no evidence whatsoever has been presented that the Russian government has been doing this."

However, a NATO source confirmed to Reuters that they had seen arms being transported from Russia to eastern Ukraine.

The information Russia is denouncing is coming from multiple sources around the world.

The U.S. is even saying that artillery shelling now being directed at Ukraine is being fired by the Russian military from the other side of the border.

While U.S. intelligence has not directly stated Russia is responsible for the shooting, they have been able to link Russia to the missile, and "still believed the separatists were likely to blame."

Additionally, Alexander Khodakovsky, a rebel leader, stated the separatists have a BUK missile system. This missile system is likely what fired the shot that took down MH17.

Alexander Borodai, the self proclaimed prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic, denied having this system.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17

1 posted on 07/24/2014 6:45:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Anatoly best be careful because if US intelligence does a little more diligent research they just might find the Russian finger that pushed the button.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 6:48:30 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

...you can keep your doctor.

(i.e., they may have a point)


4 posted on 07/24/2014 6:51:25 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Uncle Chip

“they just might find the Russian finger that pushed the button.”

Right after they find the shooter on the grassy knoll....

As I have said before, these conspiracy theories can be easily put to rest. The longer Obama waits, the worse it is going to get. IF they actually have anything.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 6:55:27 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I think Putin (KGB) has a lot on Obama and Obama knows it. Obama is scared that Putin is going to spill the beans on him. IMO


6 posted on 07/24/2014 6:58:14 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: tcrlaf

Glad to see you weigh in here, tcrlaf —

What message do you have for Anatoly who denies that the rebels shot down MH17.

Tell him here what you told us:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3184459/posts?page=45#37


7 posted on 07/24/2014 6:59:44 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: laplata

Please Obama draw another red line in front of Putin and dare him to cross it...


8 posted on 07/24/2014 7:02:46 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: laplata

The “powers that be”, namely the big money boys, would never raise someone up they couldn’t pull back down. Putin might know what skeletons are in Obama’s closet (along with Obama).


9 posted on 07/24/2014 7:07:26 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: tcrlaf
As I have said before, these conspiracy theories can be easily put to rest.

They are put to rest by the outright confession of the separatists on social media, albeit they thought they hit something else, not to mention photographs confirmed of the Buk in Torez and other cities in that area, followed up with another confession that they have them (before he took it back) from some other separatist.

When you say "as I have said before," you should really say "As I have said, pimping for my boss Putin."

10 posted on 07/24/2014 7:09:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Good point. I think it’s possible that he will be made a martyr.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 7:10:05 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Commies lie always.
Odumbo getting a taste of his own medicine.
12 posted on 07/24/2014 7:10:15 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: jsanders2001

I agree but don’t think it will happen.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 7:11:26 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“pimping for my boss Putin.””

Does it pay well??
I’ll be putting a lot of hours on the plane next week, and Avgas is EXPENSIVE!


14 posted on 07/24/2014 7:13:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: laplata
I think Putin (KGB) has a lot on Obama and Obama knows it. Obama is scared that Putin is going to spill the beans on him. IMO

Maybe so, but does it look like Pravda is alive and well?

15 posted on 07/24/2014 7:15:46 PM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: Mark17

Maybe so, but does it look like Pravda is alive and well?


I think Pravda is still around. I don’t understand what you mean. Anything on Obama wouldn’t have to be released through Pravda.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 7:18:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; tcrlaf

Well tcrlaf has already admitted that the rebels shot down the plane, allbeit “accidentally”.

So perhaps he can tell us the things that led him to that conclusion so early on.

And then perhaps we can convey those things to Anatoly.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 7:22:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

I have no illusions that Putin is some sort of God fearing, democracy loving moral leader... I don’t think that is a fair appraisal of the man.

I also have the same misgivings about the current leader of Ukraine. And I also hold our own president in rather low esteem.

I obviously don’t know all the facts concerning the horrific downing of the Malaysian passenger jet, but I would be shocked if it was downed on purpose. The tragedy serves no one, not Russia, not Ukraine and least of all the eastern separatists involved in civil war.

It seems most probable to me that it was shot down by the separatists using a Russian built missile system. It seems probable that Russians may have been in attendance when the horrific deed was done.

I think they thought it was a Ukrainian military jet and a legitimate target of the civil war.

I can’t imagine why the pilot of the Malaysian jetliner was traveling over a hot war zone!? Was he mad? incompetent? or simply a fool following orders? I wish I knew.

In war, terrible things happen. Terrible things happened in our war of independence and our own bloody civil war.

Many would say that outsiders should refrain from meddling or giving assistance to either side in a civil war or a war for separation and independence. Outsiders are generally involved in such wars however. In the case of the conflict raging in Ukraine both the US and Russia have meddled and supported the parties involved. The results for both have been shameful and ignominious.

I hope and pray that events do not spiral out of control for those who have foolishly involved themselves in the Ukrainian war.... We are directly involved and so is Russia.
Both nations have freely decided to inject themselves into this mess...both have unclean hands.

I hope that I am wrong but I feel we are on the precipice of a world war because of our involvement in Ukraine and Syria. I pray God is merciful and helps us find our way out this mess... a mess we are at least partially responsible for.

Given the questionable leadership we are saddled with here in the US I think it is a good time to start worrying and start praying for guidance.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 7:23:01 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: laplata

My Pravda comment was not in reference to anything anyone might have on the Obungler. It was directed at the BS the Russians are trying to portray as truth, in reference to the downed airliner.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 7:37:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: Bobalu
I also have the same misgivings about the current leader of Ukraine.

Why?

The tragedy serves no one, not Russia, not Ukraine and least of all the eastern separatists involved in civil war.

A "civil war" would require some group of native Ukrainians to be fighting. Every poll that has been taken there, whether nationally or internationally, and the election itself, has shown that the separatists only receive but a minority of support. It's time to call things for what they really are:

From https://news.vice.com/article/its-time-to-assign-blame-for-everything-happening-in-ukraine

There is evidence that more than half of rebel fighters are actually Russian citizens who came to Ukraine — with weaponry that looks suspiciously like that of the Russian military — just to fight.

It has also been proven, beyond a doubt, that the Russkies are shooting from Russian territory (read link).

This is not a civil war. This is a war between Ukraine and Russia, the latter of whom is using terrorism and KGB style propaganda to do it.

I can’t imagine why the pilot of the Malaysian jetliner was traveling over a hot war zone!? Was he mad? incompetent? or simply a fool following orders? I wish I knew.

They were flying at 33,000 feet. No one can hit them except a state power with those sorts of missiles, and if they have them, then they can tell the difference between a Ukrainian Su-35 which can't reach that height, an an Airline going in the wrong direction, at a much greater rate of speed.

In the case of the conflict raging in Ukraine both the US and Russia have meddled and supported the parties involved.

And how, exactly, is the United States doing anything for Ukraine?

20 posted on 07/24/2014 7:41:42 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mark17

Thanks for clarifying. You’re absolutely right.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 8:17:35 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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Is Putin Responsible For MH17? Five Questions For Investigators On Russian Culpability

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/07/24/is-putin-responsible-for-mh17-five-questions-for-investigators-on-russian-culpability/


22 posted on 07/25/2014 7:26:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You are relying on

The militant, who has not been identified, reportedly said fighters blasted the Boeing 777 out of the sky...

As a source? After how many drinks was this?

23 posted on 07/25/2014 7:34:01 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Speaking of questions how many of these questions have we answered?

10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash

Their claims the Kiev Junta had the same missiles in the area should be the easiest to shoot down.

24 posted on 07/25/2014 7:38:06 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff; tcrlaf; caww

So then is tcrlaf right:

“I said from the beginning that the rebels accidently shot it down.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3184459/posts?page=45#37


25 posted on 07/25/2014 7:41:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf
....” The longer Obama waits, the worse it is going to get. IF they actually have anything”....

He has a long history now ‘of waiting’ (dodging and covering up), on every single issue a Pres. should be acting on or revealing in such situations as this. His only defense is always and every time playing the ‘blame game” when he even comments on a situation, or deflecting it to somebody else, just as much as he pulls the race card when the finger points even remotely at him.

He is all about saving face even if evidence would suggest he's guilty. Heck, he doesn't even play the blame game well for the International Leaders are fast getting tired of his lack of responsibility and leadership for this nation and amid various Foreign Issues and events. He could at least outright lie, as he's also noted for, rather than hold back information he has....or even tweak it. Does make one wonder what it is the information does reveal that he will not even attempt his usual standards of response.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 10:18:18 AM PDT by caww
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