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Under Putin, Russia seeing an exodus of ‘ the most educated ... most entrepreneurial people’
National Post [Canada] / Reuters ^ | Thursday, July 24, 2014 | Alissa de Carbonnel

Posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:20 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

... “They are people who have already made money and are now scared to lose it,” Paley said....

“I don’t share the opinion of 90 percent of the country: I feel like a foreigner here now so why not leave?” said Tatiana Konkova, a Russian literature teacher and singer, giving her last concert in Moscow this month....

The number of Russians emigrating in the last two years was some five times higher than in the two before Putin began a new six-year term in May 2012, official figures show....

Echoing the post-Soviet brain drain, sociologists say Russia is bleeding exactly the kind of people it needs to plug a skilled labor shortage and diversify the economy away from reliance on energy exports.

“We are losing the most educated, most active, most entrepreneurial people,” Lev Gudkov, director of the independent Moscow-based Levada Centre pollster. “The Kremlin sees this in a cynical way – as a way to let off steam.”

He estimated that three million Russians have left over the last decade, as many as in the first few years after the Soviet Union collapsed when Russia was in political and economic chaos....

Reasons for leaving vary. Corruption, red tape and allegedly crooked courts are driving the exodus among entrepreneurs. Young people seek higher education and job opportunities. Families want better health care and schools. Some hanker after greater freedoms....

“It’s strange but we have more state officials now than the Soviet administration for a population that is two times smaller,” Gorshkov said....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: corruption; harassment; putin; russia
"Voting with their feet"
1 posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:20 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Demographically—arguably the only measure that matters—the Putin regime has been a disaster for Russia.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 9:16:16 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: canuck_conservative

When people begin voting with their feet you know you have serious problems!

We are seeing many US corporations voting with their feet now. It’s the insane 35% corporate tax rate! That tax rate should be ZERO! And the tax rate on capital gains should be ZERO! We are supposed to be capitalists..not communists :-(

Our tax base income should come from consumption taxes and not income taxes. No IRS and no need to file income taxes is what we should have.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 9:22:10 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: denydenydeny

When I look into Putin’s eyes I am a bit frightened I must say. Ditto in spades for Obama’s eyes.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 9:23:28 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: Bobalu
It’s the insane 35% corporate tax rate!

Many pay nothing.

5 posted on 07/24/2014 9:27:08 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: denydenydeny

Move to Antarctica?


6 posted on 07/24/2014 9:30:06 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: canuck_conservative
I feel like a foreigner here now so why not leave?” said Tatiana Konkova, a Russian literature teacher and singer

Don't a lot of us conservative Americans feel like foreigners in our own country also?

7 posted on 07/24/2014 9:40:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: denydenydeny

~Demographically—arguably the only measure that matters—the Putin regime has been a disaster for Russia.~

LOL. You have certainly missed centuries of feudal despotism, seven decades of full communism and a decade of gang wars there. By all objective accounts Putin’s regime is the best thing happened there in millenias.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 9:57:18 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Bobalu

Also the overbearing laws and government regulations. Its to the point where they basically tell you who to hire, how you make, distribute, price, and advertise something. You basically have hundreds of thousands in the US getting paid with tax dollars to watch the few that still have a job that actually produces wealth.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 10:04:07 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Mark17; All

I spoke with a Russian woman tonight. She has been here 15 years and is very thankful. “More opportunity, but you have to be willing to work hard.”


10 posted on 07/24/2014 10:09:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

~I spoke with a Russian woman tonight. She has been here 15 years and is very thankful. “More opportunity, but you have to be willing to work hard.”~

I’m there too, and couldn’t agree more. Sharp contrast to communist and post-communist Yeltsinist mob rule before him.
There are issues for sure and it would likely change for worse to some degree (sanctions etc) but I’m certainly better stick to Putin than any commie or liberal counterpart which will certainly emerge if something would happen to Putin.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 10:25:56 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: canuck_conservative
Corruption, red tape and allegedly crooked courts are driving the exodus among entrepreneurs.

Gosh that sounds familiar...

12 posted on 07/24/2014 10:41:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: Bobalu
Our tax base income should come from consumption taxes and not income taxes.

Try collecting one without a massive black market. Imagine the government involving itself in every transaction, from street vendors to roadside markets.

13 posted on 07/24/2014 10:43:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: canuck_conservative

So the old and the lower educated and skilled will stay, like Cuba. I know his admirers here on this site idolize him, but autocracy (President for Life Putin) by any other name still stinks the same.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 12:46:43 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: steve86

That’s true for the multinational companies but not true for the smaller companies. Smaller US based companies can’t move their money around the world to avoid taxation. So instead they take it on the chin and are at a disadvantage to their international competitors.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 12:48:47 AM PDT by DB
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To: wetphoenix

Yeah, he’s done better than the communists. Congratulations to him. He’s a genius. Now, all the looted money he and his cronies have is money taken from the mass of Russian people.


16 posted on 07/25/2014 12:48:50 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: wetphoenix

You could have a “Pray for Putin” thread. I’m sure you’d have a lot of Putinistas sharing the love for him.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 12:51:00 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Hey, don’t turn things upside down. I’m not talking he is an angel but I think my idea is clear. You certainly have no idea what is it to live under commies or under mob rule.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 12:59:54 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: canuck_conservative
"Voting with their feet"

My wife (who has 4 Master's and a Ph.D.) voted with her feet 10 years ago and has never looked back.

19 posted on 07/25/2014 1:19:55 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: wetphoenix

Where do you live now?


20 posted on 07/25/2014 1:38:03 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: wetphoenix
better stick to Putin than any commie or liberal counterpart

Sounds like our Democratic party and quite a few "Republicans". People naturally prefer capitalism.

21 posted on 07/25/2014 1:57:54 AM PDT by McGruff (We need to protect our border more than Ukraine's.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m in Russia and not planning to leave so far.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 2:49:51 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: canuck_conservative

I’m not believing this.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 3:03:22 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: canuck_conservative

It doesn’t matter, their education system is SO MUCH BETTER than ours, they’ll be replaced.

And you don’t have to believe me, just ask ANY Russian immigrant parent here, especially when it comes to math. I know many.

(sorry, again)


24 posted on 07/25/2014 4:37:48 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Usagi_yo

“I’m not believing this.”

It certainly does sound like a propaganda offensive. And note how even conservatives are taking the bait now. Very effective.

I still have problems believe what the mainstream media spoon feeds us (especially Reuters), but it’s getting lonely here...


25 posted on 07/25/2014 4:41:09 AM PDT by BobL
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To: denydenydeny

Demographically, the people of Russia are not up to the task of living in the 21st century and no amount of effort by Putin can change that fact. Those that are , are leaving the mass behind.

Russia was given the opportunity but blew it.

China was given the opportunity, the people embraced it and are successfully making the transition from Chicoms to Chicaps


26 posted on 07/25/2014 4:46:44 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: BobL

~It doesn’t matter, their education system is SO MUCH BETTER than ours, they’ll be replaced.

And you don’t have to believe me, just ask ANY Russian immigrant parent here, especially when it comes to math. I know many.

(sorry, again)~

It has corroded much for the last two decades.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 6:01:02 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: BobL; Usagi_yo

Some people are leaving Russia, some of them are decent and some certainly have their good reasons to leave. Anyway, it is compensated by influx of immigrants by large margin.

If Russia was really such a bad place it couldn’t be such a massive magnet for immigrants, second only to the United States in this world.

Just check stats from respective international bodies. US is a #1 place to go, Russia #2, Germany is a (distant)#3. All the rest countries combined aren’t attracting as many foreigners as these three.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 6:10:38 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Russia is getting a huge influx of muzzies from Central Asia. Moscow streets like those in Paris are now blocked by massed muzzies kneeling at prayer & they demand worship space in Orthodox churches.

I was deployed to Uzbekistan ten years ago. Even then young Uzbeks told me Russia was their window to the West & that nearly a third of the population was in Russia either working or seeking work.

Uzbeks are Muslim but not the worst, tending to be secular, far more so than Afghans whom most Uzbeks despise for their harsh Islam.

Siberia is filling with Chinese but that’s another story.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:03:42 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

I could only find statistics from 2006 right now and it says that the largest group were Chinese at 20%; Ukrainians at 16,9%; Uzbekistan at 10,4%, Turkey at 10% (mostly non-Muslim ezidy Kurds), Tajikistan at 9,7%.

Right now I think the number of Chinese have reduced significantly and migration authorities are eager to deport them for any minor violation. There is a zero-tolerance regime for African nationals. As soon as one is unemployed on labor visa or not attending classes on student visa they are getting arrested and deported immediately.
The number of Kirghiz immigrants is growing on the other hand and they are probably the most numerous group of immigrants in Russia right now, after Ukrainians. Visually you won’t tell them from the Chinese but their language is Turkic unless they grew in big cities or around a Russian army bases. These are usually speaking better Russian than Ukrainians or Russian rednecks. The majority are Muslims. The number of Uzbeks is getting lower too, at least visibly. You can see more East European types, mostly Serbs, Montenegrins and Moldovans recently, Central Americans (Cubans, Bolivian).


30 posted on 07/25/2014 10:08:32 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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