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New IRS Form Proves Obama Lied About Individual Mandate Tax (Baghdad Barry an all time low)
Americans for Tax Reform ^ | 07/25/2014 | John Kartch and Ryan Ellis

Posted on 07/25/2014 6:54:45 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

On Thursday the IRS released a slew of draft 2014 tax forms. The new draft Form 1040 shows a new surtax line has been created for the payment of the individual mandate surtax – see line 61 of the 1040:

President Obama has repeatedly denied that the surtax is in fact actually a tax. The most prominent example was a heated exchange on ABC’s This Week in Sept. 2009, when George Stephanopoulos confronted Obama with a dictionary:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dsj02; obamacare; worstpresidentever

1 posted on 07/25/2014 6:54:45 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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2 posted on 07/25/2014 6:55:15 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Skip right over that line.

And if they raise a stink, skip the entire form. Pay your state taxes.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 6:56:35 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Wasn’t this cleared up by John Roberts? It’s a tax.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 6:57:45 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Kid Shelleen

The boy has been lying since he left Bill Ayers’ house in Chicago.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 6:58:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: Chaguito

So instead of saving your family $2500 there’s a $2500 penalty on poor people and the rest of us are paying 40% insurance increases?

Nice job, Barry!


6 posted on 07/25/2014 7:01:28 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Crazieman

It’s a tax and has to be represented as such. Which is exactly what the democrat fascists wanted to avoid by just showing it as another deduction like SS on your pay stub.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 7:01:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Crazieman

Hell I’m not going to be able to afford to pay for Obamacare in addition to my regular bills which are tretched to the limit after sitting down and trimming everything every bill and getting rid of everything we don’t need. Hell if he makes me pay of $2,500 per head penalty in our household there’s no way we can do it. I’m guessing this is going to be the situation in most households that actually pay taxes in 2014. The IRS and the Feds are about to shoot themselves in the foot and a$$ at the same time because they got too greedy. End result. Tons of liens to file. No one with money to pay them though.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 7:04:55 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Hell I’m not going to be able to afford to pay for Obamacare in addition to my regular bills which are stretched to the limit after sitting down and trimming and getting rid of everything we don’t need. Hell if he makes me pay of $2,500 per head penalty in our household there’s no way we can do it. I’m guessing this is going to be the situation in most households that actually pay taxes in 2014. The IRS and the Feds are about to shoot themselves in the foot and a$$ at the same time because they got too greedy. End result. Tons of liens to file. No one with money to pay them though.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 7:06:51 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kid Shelleen

39% approval and heading to the teens.


10 posted on 07/25/2014 7:12:24 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Obama in 2009: “Absolutely Not a Tax Increase”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMkOScXctY


11 posted on 07/25/2014 7:18:06 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("The Border Is On Fire & Washington Is Sending Us Gasoline" AZ Ranchers John Ladd & Fred Davis 7/14)
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To: jsanders2001

As the law stands right now, the only way the IRS can enforce nonpayment of the penalty is to take it out of any refund you may get. No other way. Not a lien on your home or taking it from your bank account. Not jail either. Unless of course...the dictator changes the law again with his pen and his phone.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 7:23:57 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("The Border Is On Fire & Washington Is Sending Us Gasoline" AZ Ranchers John Ladd & Fred Davis 7/14)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Trust me I won’t get a refund. I’m a white, Christian male that pays taxes for the takers and the 1 %’ers who use excessive deductions to almost pay none.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 7:42:35 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Chaguito
Wasn’t this cleared up by John Roberts? It’s a tax.

Bingo. During the debate over Obamacare, Rats argued every which way to Sunday that it was NOT a tax-it was a mandate-because they had to give cover to the Rats on the fence.

In their argument before the SCOTUS, it was a tax. Roberts bought it.

14 posted on 07/25/2014 7:45:49 PM PDT by randita ("Is a nation without borders a nation?"...Noonan)
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To: jsanders2001
1 %’ers who use excessive deductions to almost pay none.

Clintons tried to deduct $2 for underwear they donated to charity.

15 posted on 07/25/2014 7:47:06 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: MaxMax
Clintons tried to deduct $2 for underwear they donated to charity.

I wouldn't even give a sawbuck for Bubba's party pants or the baglady's triple extra large bloomers.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 8:01:14 PM PDT by RocketMan1 (Creepy Ass Cracka.)
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To: Chaguito

Yes, after the Senate deemed Obamacare into existence, John Roberts deemed the Obamacare fine a tax.

God deem them.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 8:06:18 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Ok, so you check the “full year’s coverage” box and then you owe nothing.... or does the gestapo have to have proof of coverage in their massive illegal database.

Lots of people are not going to comply with this filing— and there is NO enforcement provision for collection except by withholding a refund.

Am I right on all this cpa freepers?


18 posted on 07/25/2014 8:15:34 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

And they can’t take it out of social security payments?
Only the voluntary withholdings from social security, which would not “pay” the fine.

This is a subject of great concern. Knowledge of it allows for civil disobedience to an illegal tax.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 8:18:44 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: RocketMan1

USED silk f’n underwear and the a-hole took deductions for them. Unbelievable, washed or not— who would knowingly accept them. Disgusting.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 8:20:19 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

check out the 1095 forms required in 2016


21 posted on 07/25/2014 8:25:54 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: John S Mosby

I changed with holding on my check, NO REFUND breaking even!!!!
Government NO LONGER using my money all year I am happy NO
OBAMMIECARE!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 07/25/2014 8:50:03 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

At the end of the form it will show total tax owed. The O care part will not be differentiated. It will make for some strange accounting practices to backtrack and figure out which part they can’t penalize. Because I bet there won’t be aline at the end of the form which states “This part can’t be penalized”.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 9:28:56 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Kid Shelleen

24 posted on 07/25/2014 9:50:52 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: randita

So, I see the SCOTUS going 4-4 that the law says exactly what it says. That leaves it up to Roberts, again. He already said the fines are taxes. By similar argument, the subsidies are tax *credits*, meaning they are taxes in reverse.

So, if he rules in favor of Halbig, the entire structure of Obamacare is unconstitutional on the basis of unequal federal tax treatment based on state of residence. That would violate the 14th Amendment.

But, Roberts clearly does not want to declare the law unconstitutional. So, what tortuous reasoning could he use to say that the law doesn’t say what it says? He did it once, he conceivably could do it again.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 10:18:51 PM PDT by Chaguito
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Lots of people are not going to comply with this filing— and there is NO enforcement provision for collection except by withholding a refund <<<

It is going to take civil disobedience to deal with these thieves but in lieu of the lawlessness of this administration I have to believe they have ways of dealing with refuseniks.
Agree ???
26 posted on 07/26/2014 8:56:09 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Chaguito

Roberts’ first line of reasoning (re the mandates being a tax) have opened up the entire can of worms we’re seeing now via Halbig, etc.

With his first ruling, Roberts opened up the Pandora’s Box of equal federal tax treatment. Some post-analyses of Robert’s decision said Robert’s ruling was going to mean big trouble for the law down the road and they were right. It’s taken years to see that come to fruition, but it’s finally here.

What the feds are doing now by applying the tax credits equally to residents of all states WOULD pass constitutional muster. Big problem is that is contrary to ACA wording, no two ways about it.

These tax credit challenge cases may not even be taken up by SCOTUS, depending on what the en banc DC Circuit decides.

If the full DC Circuit upholds the previous three judge panel decision, then I don’t think SCOTUS would even take the case. They won’t want to get into the realm of rewriting law and will just tell Congress to fix it, but for now the law must be enforced as written.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 9:48:11 AM PDT by randita ("Is a nation without borders a nation?"...Noonan)
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To: jsanders2001

I wonder how many people have not/will not sign up for ObamaCare. I don’t see any reporting of this. Perhaps no one knows.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 10:03:04 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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29 posted on 07/26/2014 10:08:23 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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