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Feds cap Obamacare fines at $2,448 per person (new rules)
IBA Mag ^ | 7/25/14 | Caitlin Bronson

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:27:31 PM PDT by Libloather

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The figures, released late Thursday, cap the fine for not buying insurance at $2,448 per person and $12,240 for a family of five. The standard rule of thumb is 2% of household income, with a minimum of $325 per person.

The caps are equal to the national average premium for a bronze-level health plan.

Those who choose to go uninsured will owe one-twelfth of the annual payment for each month they or their dependents don’t have either coverage or an exemption, the IRS said.

All fines will be due during tax return season, which can be deducted from tax refunds.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cap; feds; fines; obamacare
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To: Libloather
Prisoner #10679: What are you in for?
Prisoner #20657: I had to choose, Obamacare or food
Prisoner #10679: Yea, I chose clothes for my Children
41 posted on 07/26/2014 8:44:54 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Captain Compassion
Fines and Taxes must be filed separate or on a different line in the form.
They'll have to change your return to make that lie happen. And the line
for Zerocare is clearly there.
42 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:14 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: az_gila

Becoming an Indian might be easier ...:^)

Exempt groups from the IRS web site -

Religious conscience. You are a member of a religious sect that is recognized as conscientiously opposed to accepting any insurance benefits. The Social Security Administration administers the process for recognizing these sects according to the criteria in the law.
2.Health care sharing ministry. You are a member of a health care sharing ministry.
3.Indian tribes. You are (1) a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe or (2) an individual eligible for services through an Indian care provider.
...


Thanks for the info. I bet conservative legal groups will take full advantage of that and people will follow their advice on taking advantage of it.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:28 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Gaffer

Excellent points.


44 posted on 07/26/2014 8:50:28 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Captain Compassion
They could however take the payment and reject the return as incomplete.
They could also try to file fraud/purjury charges for not properly completing the
form with the information you know.

Remember that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent!

45 posted on 07/26/2014 8:50:40 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Libloather
The figures, released late Thursday, cap the fine for not buying insurance at $2,448 per person and $12,240 for a family of five.p> Those individuals and families sure could pay for a lot of medical treatment with that money.

This is a disgrace.

46 posted on 07/26/2014 9:11:47 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Libloather

Well OK that seems fair. $12,000 per year per family, everyone can certainly afford that.


47 posted on 07/26/2014 9:31:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MaxMax
Ah but the so called penalty it's not a fine but a tax and it appears on the form as a tax. Roberts said so. If you owe $3000 in bottom line taxes and you only pay $2000. Then you are $1000 short. The IRS gets to decide how to distribute the $2000 against your account. Wait and see. The IRS is above the law.

CC

48 posted on 07/26/2014 10:30:18 AM PDT by Captain Compassion
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49 posted on 07/26/2014 10:33:36 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Captain Compassion
I understand what you're saying but they don't do that. They must go by the original
tax form prepared. I know you're trying to say they'll ignore it, ok but that
would not hold up in court if They changed the document you filed.

Word of wisdom,, NEVER TALK TO THE IRS! No different than the police.

If you ignore that one line then it's not added. Sure they'll still come after you
with Guns, maybe SWAT and kill your Dog and throw a Smoke grenade in your kids crib
but hey, you're an evil lawbreaker.

They keep changing up the goal posts on this Zerocare law but the courts
don't seem to be buying their outright deceptive lies. One by one this fiasco
is falling apart and all the (D) lawyers in DC are scrambling to make
the whole law a gray issue by changing intentions that are not in there.

We shall see. I'm not paying a red cent for this crap either.

50 posted on 07/26/2014 1:57:53 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Captain Compassion
If you owe $3000 in bottom line taxes and you only pay $2000.

The really bad news is that your federal withholding can be applied to Obmacare payment BRFORE Federal Income Taxes.

51 posted on 07/26/2014 3:44:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: MaxMax

“I know you’re trying to say they’ll ignore it, ok but that
would not hold up in court if They changed the document you filed.”

Don’t have to change the document only the definition of the words. The IRS is good at this. The first court that you encounter would be the tax court. Very few winners here. You can appeal to federal court. Be prepared to spend a lot of time and spend a lot of money. During the time you are fighting this the interest and penalty costs on your unpaid taxes will sky rocket.

CC


52 posted on 07/26/2014 5:27:59 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: laplata

“I hope the Media get what they deserve for the destruction they’re causing this country. Obama is getting more obstinate and we “ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.”

There is always a need for political propagandists. The medium/technology may change, but the message will always be there.


53 posted on 07/27/2014 5:48:05 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

“I hope the Media get what they deserve for the destruction they’re causing this country. Obama is getting more obstinate and we “ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.”

There is always a need for political propagandists. The medium/technology may change, but the message will always be there.


Are you excusing the media?


54 posted on 07/27/2014 8:25:35 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

“Are you excusing the media?”

Seriously? I wouldn’t raise a finger to stop anyone from butchering them alive. They’ve become the tools of our oppressors, and are as culpable as death camp commandants.


55 posted on 07/27/2014 11:12:20 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Thanks for the much needed clarification.


56 posted on 07/27/2014 11:19:09 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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$10k annually for the average family... that’s a lot of money that could otherwise cover food, pharmacy, and clinic costs.


57 posted on 07/27/2014 11:22:43 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gaffer
Still, you had better be planning your taxes where you owe just a little instead of getting any kind of refund. They might just up and determine that your insurance does not fit the minimum level of coverage they think you should have.

I know for a fact that my short term health insurance policy doesn't meet minimum level requirements (the insurance company discloses that to me every time I renew it). But it doesn't matter; because I am also a member of a health sharing ministry, I am exempt. I did the math, and because I didn't quality for Obamacare subsidies but I wanted insurance, the short-term insurance + health sharing ministry was the best value option. Short Term insurance has all my doctors and takes care of paperwork, but the health sharing ministry helps me avoid Obamacare penalties.

58 posted on 07/28/2014 5:01:12 AM PDT by tellw
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To: tellw

I’m glad you are exempted - truly. I wish all Americans were exempted from it.


59 posted on 07/28/2014 6:54:50 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

If I had to choose between giving the IRS more money and the health sharing ministry the money, the health sharing ministry wins hands down.


60 posted on 07/28/2014 12:01:01 PM PDT by tellw
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