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Fragile 12-hour truce between Israel, Hamas goes into force
The Times of Israel ^ | Saturday, July 26, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 07/26/2014 8:18:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler

12-hour humanitarian truce between Israel and Hamas went into force on Saturday morning, as top diplomats pressed efforts to secure a longer-term ceasefire.

The fragile ceasefire began at 8:00 am (0500 GMT).

Hamas said it and other groups in Gaza had reached “national consensus on a humanitarian truce”, and Israel later confirmed it would observe “a humanitarian window in the Gaza Strip”.

The Hamas-run interior ministry in Gaza advised people not to approach bombed-out buildings and militant bases for fear of “explosive objects”.

The Israeli military warned Gaza residents who had been told to evacuate their homes not to return and said “activities to locate and neutralize tunnels in the Gaza Strip will continue”.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Egypt; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: egypt; gaza; hamas; israel; johnkerry; lurch; massachusetts; sinai
This has been in effect for a while now, so it won't continue much longer. If there is any subsequent cease-fire, it should be from the "Egyptian block" and not the "Qatari block". The Egyptian block is working with Israel to hit Hamas hard, while the Qatari block is trying to save Hamas. Obama and Kerry don't have much ability to control these two big players in the Muslim world.
1 posted on 07/26/2014 8:18:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Israel Can Win, If Obama doesn’t save Hamas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185241/posts

http://freebeacon.com/columns/israel-can-win/

Secretary Kerry arrived in Cairo earlier this week. No one wanted him there. Egypt’s ruler, General Sisi, has no interest in saving Hamas through international diplomacy: The Muslim Brotherhood is his mortal enemy. Kerry then went from Cairo to Jerusalem, where he met with U.N. Secretary Ban Ki-moon, who flew to the meeting on a plane chartered by Qatar, Hamas’ primary source of cash. Kerry also met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is too gracious to tell the secretary to go back to Boston. (Israel’s former ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, has said publicly what the Israeli government will not: Kerry is an unwelcome guest.) Next up was Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, who honored Kerry’s presence by endorsing Hamas’s call for a “Day of Rage” in the West Bank. Kerry “will soon decide if Hamas and Israel are willing to agree on a Gaza ceasefire,” Reuters says.

Who wants a ceasefire? Qatar. The sheikhs who bankroll the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Jazeera, and Hamas would see their status rise. A ceasefire would lend credence to the theory that the traditional Sunni powers—Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia—have been eclipsed both by Shiite Iran and by Brotherhood-friendly Sunnis in the Gulf and Turkey. Having lost Egypt and possibly Gaza, the Brotherhood finds itself on the precipice. A Qatari-backed ceasefire that does not include disarmament of Hamas would pull the movement back from the abyss.

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Now, the article does have the headline mentioning Obama, but the real key to this article doesn’t have to do with Obama — it has to do with these two big Muslim blocks described here. Obama and Kerry are simply “fish who are out of water” and are useful idiots ... not much more.

This is really a “game” (so to speak) being played on the “game board” of Israel and Hamas, with Hamas being the central “played piece” — by these two big Muslim blocks described here.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 8:19:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Why do you make this nonsense up?

Egypt has maintained flights to Israel —
even as Obama’s FAA boycotted the Jewish state
and even as Obama FUND Hamas directly and indirectly.


3 posted on 07/26/2014 8:20:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Star Traveler

Behind the lines: Hamas desperately seeking relevance [Israel]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185239/posts

http://www.jpost.com/Features/Front-Lines/Behind-the-lines-Desperately-seeking-relevance-368838

Hamas is not an isolated player. It is part of a Muslim Brotherhood regional alliance bankrolled by the Emirate of Qatar.

The last year has not been good for this alliance. In 2011-12, they were riding high. They had come to power in Egypt and in Tunisia and seemed fairly placed to triumph in Syria too. Hamas elected to back what looked like an emergent Muslim Brotherhood power bloc – and drew away from its alliance with Iran.

Not much is left of all that. Egypt and Tunisia are gone. In Syria, only the regime, Islamic State and the Kurds remain as serious players. The Muslim Brotherhood’s moment in the sun was exceedingly brief.

This left their Palestinian iteration, Hamas, looking somewhat beached in 2014. The Iranian funding declined.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi decimated the tunnel system through which the rulers of Gaza brought in goods and money. Fuel shortages and power outages became part of daily life. There was no money to pay state employees.

The Hamas decision to relaunch its military campaign, its refusal to accept Israel’s offer of “calm for calm,” and its rejection of an Egyptian cease-fire proposal that Israel accepted represent an attempt to bring about a “reset” in the position of Hamas and its backers in the region.


4 posted on 07/26/2014 8:20:37 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Hamas has been looking for allies, so far in vain [Israel]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184802/posts

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607178

While Islamic Jihad remains an Iranian protégé, Hamas decided two and a half years ago to break with Iran and return to its natural Arab and Sunni home. This decision was sparked by the Iranian-backed Syrian government’s slaughter of its largely Sunni citizens, which generated pressure to sever ties from both fellow Palestinians and Arab states. But Hamas also thought this move wouldn’t exact too high an economic price, thanks to the support it received from Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood-led government.

That calculation collapsed when Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was ousted last year; Egypt’s new government is waging war on the Brotherhood and all its branches, first and foremost Hamas. But Hamas can no longer return to Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Qatar and Turkey remain its only refuge, and both are loathed by Egypt and the Gulf states.


5 posted on 07/26/2014 8:21:06 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

In Gaza war, Egypt taking hard line over border [Israel and Hamas]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184786/posts

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-gaza-war-egypt-taking-hard-line-over-border/

Vilification of Hamas in Cairo has only increased since Operation Protective Edge erupted.

CAIRO (AP) — In the Gaza war now in its third bloody week, Hamas’ battle isn’t only with Israel, even though that’s the country it is firing rockets at. The terrorist group that rules Gaza is demanding Egypt open its border with the tiny, blockaded strip of territory

Even as it presents itself as a mediator in the conflict, Egypt is taking a hard line, refusing any opening that would strengthen Hamas, a group it accuses of fueling militancy on its soil.

And so far, the Egyptian public has largely gone along.

But as civilian casualties rise in Gaza, Egypt’s government runs the risk that Egyptians will blame it for not making concessions that could stop the bloodshed.

Still, authorities in Cairo have insisted they won’t bend. Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri called Rafah a “red line,” warning against pressuring Egypt on the issue.

Both Israel and Egypt have enforced a crippling, years-long blockade of Gaza. Israel also faces demands to open its crossings, which are vital to reviving the strip’s economy, but it is likely to resist doing so.

For its part, Egypt has made it clear it won’t open the border unless the Gaza side is run by Hamas’ rival, President Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority.


6 posted on 07/26/2014 8:21:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Israel singles out Qatar as key Hamas terror sponsor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184241/posts

http://www.timesofisrael.com/as-it-battles-hamas-israel-singles-out-its-sponsor-qatar/

Gulf emirate is branded the villain behind Hamas belligerence, with PM’s former security adviser saying it funds tunnel diggers and rocket launchers.

President Shimon Peres accused Qatar on Wednesday of becoming “the world’s largest funder of terror” due to its financial support for Hamas in Gaza.

“Qatar does not have the right to send money for rockets and tunnels which are fired at innocent civilians,” the outgoing statesman told UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in Jerusalem. “Their funding of terror must stop. If they want to build then they should, but they must not be allowed to destroy.”

Qatar’s recently attempted to transfer funds for the salaries of Hamas civil servants in Gaza, following the formation of a Palestinian unity government, but was blocked by the United States, which pressured the Arab Bank not to process them. But former national security adviser Maj. Gen. (res) Yaakov Amidror told The Times of Israel that the emirate’s funding for the organization’s terror apparatus, including tunnel diggers and rocket launchers, has continued unabated.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 8:24:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Will that be enough time for Hamas and the PLO to get an adequate supply of new rockets and munitions through the tunnels, Secretary Kerry?


8 posted on 07/26/2014 8:25:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Diogenesis

One thing that must be made clear here is that the USA doesn’t give money or arms to Hamas, but the USA does give humanitarian aid to the People there in Gaza through agencies, such as UNRWA who administers the programs.

And Israel, who controls the goods that go into Gaza (they have a blockade around Gaza) does let the goods that the USA sends in through UNRWA go through their checkpoints, as Israel has no problem with that.

What Israel doesn’t let go through their checkpoints or past their blockade are arms and material for war going to Hamas.

ALSO ... humanitarian aid or aid to the Palestinian Authority, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has lobbied and urged Congress to continue supporting (because Israel doesn’t want it’s soldiers administering the PA territories) ... is given to the Palestinians on the West Bank.

And don’t be confused by the “unity pact” which is nothing but a “paper document” for foreign consumption ... with Hamas ... when it is the Palestinian Authority” and Abbas who are fully in control of Judea and Samaria.

The problem some have is that they can’t see the details and distinguish what is going on. And they confuse criminals and criminal actions of terrorists with support that the USA is giving to Palestinians, versus the terror groups.

They ignore that Prime Minister Netanyahu has no problem with humanitarian aid for Palestinian civilians and he also wants support for the Palestinian Authority to continue so Israel won’t have to administer the territories.

What neither the USA or Israel wants is any money or arms to the terrorist organization and neither one of them is doing that.

Israel and the USA are against Hamas and against supplying them in Gaza!


9 posted on 07/26/2014 8:26:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
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The German Nazis were "exterminated" in World War II.

Hamas and Hezbolla should be "exterminated". Down to the last bastard.

Questions ?


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10 posted on 07/26/2014 8:27:05 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, Egypt has shut down a majority of the tunnels at their border. Those tunnels that the IDF are demolishing are “attack tunnels” meant for Hamas teams to attack villages in Israel.

The IDF said recently that Hamas still had almost 4,000 rockets left, so they’ve got enough to go for quote a whole lot longer.

What they are trying to do is “go for broke” and get Israel or Egypt to LIFT THE EMBARGO, so that they will be able to get more arms in - in the future.

Right now, Hamas is being squeezed real hard because both Egypt and Israel are cooperating against Hamas.


11 posted on 07/26/2014 8:30:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Israel is working on that with Hamas right now - and doing so in cooperation with Egypt. However Hezbollah is not in the equation at the present time.


12 posted on 07/26/2014 8:32:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Questions ?

Why is it taking so long?

Open a path way to the west bank, screen all civilian on the path, kill all the hamas, then carpet bomb the gaza strip.

13 posted on 07/26/2014 8:33:40 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: Star Traveler
However Hezbollah is not in the equation at the present time.

NEXT!

14 posted on 07/26/2014 8:35:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Star Traveler

If Hamas wants a cease fire they could drop their weapons and walk backwards. If they don’t do that the war should continue until Hamas is destroyed. Israel is very close to finishing this and should finish it without any regard to what anyone else says. It’s their land that missiles were landing on, no other state would accept that.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 8:41:32 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: USS Alaska

You won’t find Israel carpet bombing Gaza ...

Exclusive Interview With IAF Pilots: How They Limit Casualties
http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/20/exclusive-interview-iaf-pilots-limit-casualties/

While the IDF goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately puts civilians in the line of fire. The terrorist organization bases command centers, weapons storage facilities and concealed rocket launchers inside civilian neighborhoods, sometimes even inside houses. Lt. Or and Lt. Omer are two pilots in the Israel Air Force whose work reduces harm to civilians in Gaza.

Lt. Or is a 25-year-old soldier with an enormous responsibility. He decides whether to call off an airstrike in Gaza for the sake of preserving human life.

Lt. Or operates drones over Gaza in order to gather intelligence before airstrikes. The drones provide the IDF with a clear picture of the ground in real time. “Before every flight, we have a briefing about what is happening in the Strip,” said Lt. Or. “Then we perform a reconnaissance mission to ensure the intelligence matches the reality on the ground.”

The purpose of this intelligence gathering is to ensure that a strike on a target will not cause harm to civilians. “Before every airstrike, the pilot needs permission from us,” Lt. Or. emphasized. “We [Israel] are the only side in this conflict that attempts to prevent civilians from being harmed.”


16 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:18 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: USS Alaska

How is the IDF Minimizing Harm to Civilians in Gaza?
http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/16/idf-done-minimize-harm-civilians-gaza/

The IDF does everything possible to limit civilian casualties in Gaza. Hamas exploits these efforts by encouraging Palestinian civilians to ignore the IDF’s warnings.

Phone Calls and Text Messages

As part of its efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza, the IDF makes phone calls and sends text messages to civilians residing in buildings designated for attack. In the following video, you can hear a recording of an IDF soldier calling a Gazan to warn him of an impending airstrike in his vicinity.

Leaflets

The Israel Air Force has dropped leaflets over Gaza that warn civilians to avoid being present in the vicinity of Hamas operatives. These leaflets urge civilians to move away from Hamas targets, making clear Israel’s intention to minimize civilian casualties. Since the operation began, Hamas has repeatedly instructed Palestinians to ignore these warnings.

Roof-Knocking

“Roof knocking” is when the IAF targets a building with a loud but non-lethal bomb that warns civilians that they are in the vicinity of a weapons cache or other target. This method is used to allow all residents to leave the area before the IDF targets the site with live ammunition.

The following video demonstrates how Hamas exploits the IDF’s efforts to avoid civilian casualties. On July 9, Palestinians fled a Hamas target after the IAF fired a warning shot. Moments later, people in the surrounding area flocked to the roof of the target, acting as human shields. The IAF called off the strike to avoid civilian casualties.


17 posted on 07/26/2014 8:49:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Given the time differential, isn’t the ceasefire over already?


18 posted on 07/26/2014 9:03:56 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Star Traveler
One thing is clear.

The IRS smoking gun are the emails which show
even MORE US taxpayer money to Hamas.

New Inconsistencies with Malik Obama’s IRS Paperwork Revealed on Eve of Hearing
the date stamped at the top of the Barack H. Obama Foundation’s 501(c)(3) approval letter
which bears Lerner’s signature, is dated June 26, 2011. That day was on a Sunday.

Lois Lerner approved tax exempt status for foundation
operated by Obama's half-brother on a Sunday

Deleted IRS Emails may be about Obama’s Brother
There is sufficient cause to believe that one of the reasons for
this digital document shredding may have something to do with
President Barack Obama’s brother, Malik Obama,
founder of the Barack H. Obama Foundation (BHOF).

Pictured: Obama’s half-brother wearing Hamas scarf that boasts ‘Jerusalem is ours—WE ARE COMING’

Obama’s Brother Joins Hamas, Wears Scarf Saying ‘Jerusalem Is Ours; We Are Coming’

Barack Obama’s Brother Malik Joins Hamas Terrorist Group

Obama appoints Hamas supporter who called Israelis Nazis to commission on religious freedom

CIA finds 1 in 5 flagged job applicants hail from Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda

Al-Qaeda, Hamas operatives applied for CIA jobs, say new Snowden files

Obama Officials Met with Hamas, Discussed Removing it from Terror List

Summer Camp: Hamas Teaches Children to Kill and Kidnap Israelis

U.S. Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas Support Leader Chosen By Syrian Opposition

How the U.S. Aids Hamas Through the Palestinian Authority

Obama Approves Direct Funding For Hamas

US sends $50M to Gaza

Kerry, Obama, and the WEF’s $4 Billion Bailout Plan for PLO/Hamas

VERY IMPORTANT.. Obama’s Brother Funds Hamas (Proof Below)

Hamas 'happy' with Obama's $900 million pledge [2009 Flashback: Never Forget!!]

U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists

Why would Hamas negotiate with John Kerry after getting $47 million from him?

Ninth Lesson From the Gaza War: Hamas Will Use Humanitarian Aid for Evil

Will Obama Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory Over Hamas?

Obama to the rescue – of Hamas

The Southern Poverty Law Center Stands Up for Hamas

State Dept: U.S. Supports Palestinian Unity Government (Hamas)

Report: US Holding Backroom Talks with Hamas ‘For Months’

U.S. held secret meeting with Hamas, Terrorist regime still won't recognize Israel's right to exist

Former FBI Agent Says Leading Muslim Group a ‘Hamas Front’ (CAIR)

19 posted on 07/26/2014 9:13:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Balding_Eagle

It probably is, but I haven’t kept up with it. I just saw the news less than an hour ago, and they’re still showing it as active, but it’s footage that is hours old. We’ll see, soon enough, what happens.

I just saw a report that said Hamas may extend it by four hours ... nothing much more.


20 posted on 07/26/2014 9:14:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Balding_Eagle

The ceasefire has been extended another 4 hours. I fear Israel is being sucked in to giving Kerry/Hamas a victory.


21 posted on 07/26/2014 9:14:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Diogenesis

Hamas is officially designated as a “Foreign Terrorist Organization” which puts the full complement of the US Government “machinery” in action AGAINST IT, and at all levels.

Now, many people CONFUSE the money that goes to UNRWA, which is a humanitarian aid organization for these Palestinian civilians, with thinking that money is given to Hamas.

And it’s not, because Israel MANS THE BORDER and has a FULL EMBARGO on Gaza, but Israel lets through all the aid that goes through UNRWA, because the Israelis are not designating the Palestinian civilians as the enemy, but they are designating the Hamas organization as the enemy.

And it’s likewise with the USA.

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Hamas is a designated foreign terrorist organization with the USA. This carries legal ramifications in our law in the USA and there are severe penalties for anyone supporting them with arms or money.

The USA not only does not “do it” (in terms of supplying Hamas with money or arms), they go beyond that and have listed Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization, and have those legal penalties.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.

The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

Legal Ramifications of Designation

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide “material support or resources” to a designated FTO. (The term “material support or resources” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as “ any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’

Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).

Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

Other Effects of Designation

Supports our efforts to curb terrorism financing and to encourage other nations to do the same.

Stigmatizes and isolates designated terrorist organizations internationally.

Deters donations or contributions to and economic transactions with named organizations.

Heightens public awareness and knowledge of terrorist organizations.

Signals to other governments our concern about named organizations.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 9:15:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
I just saw a report that said Hamas may extend it by four hours ... nothing much more.

Thanks, I guess the refueling of the rockets is taking longer than expected.

23 posted on 07/26/2014 9:17:42 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Star Traveler

How much does Hamas or Obama pay you to lie here
EVEN AFTER YOU ARE SHOWN TO BE WRONG?

America’s taxpayer money goes to Hamas DIRECTLY through
Lerner and the IRS and indirectly multiple ways.


24 posted on 07/26/2014 9:18:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Truth29

I believe the cease-fire does not mean that Israel is stopping on the tunnels ... :-) ... they’re still working on their destruction, and they can use this time.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 9:19:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

“The Israeli military warned Gaza residents who had been told to evacuate their homes not to return and said ‘activities to locate and neutralize tunnels in the Gaza Strip will continue’.”

It sounds to me like Israel isn’t standing still during this ceasefire, but continuing to identify and destroy the tunnels. To the degree that Hamas honors the ceasefire, it’s giving the Israeli military the opportunity to do their work without being fired upon.


26 posted on 07/26/2014 9:20:04 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Diogenesis; Star Traveler

How is providing links and quotes from links deemed “making stuff up” ?


27 posted on 07/26/2014 9:20:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Star Traveler

Truce? Time for Hamas to regroup and rearm.

What is Israel’s nomenclature for the W88 device?

5.56mm


28 posted on 07/26/2014 9:21:27 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Diogenesis

These are all documented news reports ... and also documented from the US Government designated terrorist organizations ... of which Hamas is do definitely listed there.

But it should be noted that the Palestinian Authority is not listed. Anyone can check that for themselves!


29 posted on 07/26/2014 9:21:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Fragile 12-hour truce between Israel, Hamas goes into force,

Fra-gee-lay, must be Italian.

30 posted on 07/26/2014 9:21:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sitetest

EXACTO-MUNDO! I see you’ve seen through Israel’s strategy!


31 posted on 07/26/2014 9:23:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
You are as disingenuous as Obama. Here is the imaged proof.
FReepers can decide for themselves if they believe your BS or their own eyes.


New Inconsistencies with Malik Obama’s IRS Paperwork Revealed on Eve of Hearing
the date stamped at the top of the Barack H. Obama Foundation’s 501(c)(3) approval letter
which bears Lerner’s signature, is dated June 26, 2011. That day was on a Sunday.

Lois Lerner approved tax exempt status for foundation
operated by Obama's half-brother on a Sunday

Deleted IRS Emails may be about Obama’s Brother
There is sufficient cause to believe that one of the reasons for
this digital document shredding may have something to do with
President Barack Obama’s brother, Malik Obama,
founder of the Barack H. Obama Foundation (BHOF).

32 posted on 07/26/2014 9:25:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Diogenesis

LOL ... that shows arms and military supplies being shipped to Hamas ... :-) ...

The fact if the matter is that no matter how terrible Obama is (and he’s definitely terrible) there is no shipping of arms and military supplies to Hamas in Gaza.

There ... IS ... the shipment of humanitarian supplies, like through UNRWA, to the RESIDENTS of Gaza. And Israel has NO PROBLEM with humanitarian supplies and they clear that through their checkpoints to civilians in Gaza.

See what the Israeli Ambassador says about the RESIDENTS of Gaza versus Hamas ...

In regards to the Israelis distinguishing the Palestinian residents in GAZA from the HAMAS operatives ... here’s what the Israeli Ambassador said just a couple of days ago!

“THE GAZA RESIDENTS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY!”

Don’t let the enemies if Israel “spread the lie” that Israel treats all of Gaza as the enemy. It’s only Hamas that is the enemy!

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Speaking at the conference, Israel’s ambassador to the body, Eviatar Manor told the debate that “Israel will destroy Hamas’ military infrastructure.” He also added that “the Gaza residents are not our enemy. Israel is fully committed to international law.” The ambassador also slammed the UN Human Rights Council saying they had “failed to protect the human rights of Israelis,” Haaretz reports.

http://rt.com/news/174948-un-israel-palestine-talks/


33 posted on 07/26/2014 9:31:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
"The fact if the matter is that...there is no shipping of arms and military supplies to Hamas in Gaza.

How could YOU possibly know that?

34 posted on 07/26/2014 9:36:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Diogenesis; Star Traveler
How much does Hamas or Obama pay you to lie here EVEN AFTER YOU ARE SHOWN TO BE WRONG?

I have not seen any case of STAR TRAVELER lying.

He is correct about Israel's INTENT to follow agreements, protect their population, and avoid unnecessary deaths, especially NON-HAMAS civilians.

However, I think that STAR TRAVELER is being naive in believing that anyone else(any other nation or group involved) is playing 'fair'. Especially the current government of the US.

35 posted on 07/26/2014 9:39:54 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Diogenesis; Star Traveler
The fact if the matter is that no matter how terrible Obama is (and he’s definitely terrible) there is no shipping of arms and military supplies to Hamas in Gaza.

Then WHERE are they getting them from ?

36 posted on 07/26/2014 9:46:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Star Traveler
“THE GAZA RESIDENTS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY!”

OK, but isn't that a 'point of view' type of argument ?

US residents are not the enemy , but the corrupt administration is. You know that, I know that.

BUT.... do you think the rest of the world sees it that way ? Or do they just lump us all together and call America 'The Great Satan' ?

37 posted on 07/26/2014 9:52:37 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Diogenesis

“”The fact if the matter is that...there is no shipping of arms and military supplies to Hamas in Gaza.

How could YOU possibly know that? “

Thn why does Israel keep blowing up weapons shipments in Sudan?


38 posted on 07/26/2014 10:19:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yep, they might say to me, “Well, you voted Obama in office!” and they would be right, corporately speaking. I could explain to them that I didn’t vote for Obama personally, but they would say he’s still the President anyway! And again right!

So I would say “Let’s get rid of him!”

HOWEVER, in all that, I wouldn’t expect them to shoot me personally because of Obama. Or, I wouldn’t expect them to say, “We’re going to block all food from getting to you because of Obama!” And I wouldn’t expect them to say, “From now on you have to live under a bridge or a tree, until Obama is out of office!”

And then, in spite of their mistaken impression that I should be killed or starved or made homeless because of Obama, I would stand up strongly against such mistaken impressions!


39 posted on 07/26/2014 10:32:52 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Star Traveler.


40 posted on 07/26/2014 10:37:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Star Traveler

Some updates and related stories:

LIVE UPDATES: Israel agrees to extend pause; rockets fired at south
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607272

Israel agrees to extend Gaza war truce by 4 hours
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/israel-gaza-palestinian-cease-fire/13202349/

these tunnels are an act of war:

Peering Into Darkness Beneath the Israel-Gaza Border
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/world/middleeast/beneath-israel-gaza-border-tunnels-used-by-palestinian-militants-have-been-found-by-israeli-forces-since-ground-invasion.html

Israel Will Continue ‘Neutralizing’ Tunnels During Cease-Fire
http://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-continue-neutralizing-tunnels-cease-fire/story?id=24711526

translated by www robotic translator:

Hamas planned hundreds of terrorists will emerge tunnels Rosh Hashanah
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/600/825.html?hp=1&cat=875&loc=1

more sidebars:

How Israel’s Ground Offensive in Gaza Could Impact Syria
http://abcnews.go.com/International/israels-ground-invasion-gaza-impact-syria/story?id=24716562

Israel’s Outspoken Envoy Is Wise to U.S. Ways
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/world/middleeast/israels-outspoken-envoy-is-wise-to-us-ways.html?_r=0

Israel calls Brazil a ‘diplomatic dwarf’ – and then brings up World Cup humiliation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/25/israel-brings-up-brazils-world-cup-humiliation-and-calls-the-country-a-diplomatic-dwarf/


41 posted on 07/26/2014 10:47:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Physically” speaking ... since they can’t be taken across Israeli checkpoints ... they were, in the past, being smuggled in through the tunnels on the Egypt/Gaza side. I don’t believe the tunnels on the Israeli side were used for that type of smuggling ... but, it’s possible it could come through Israeli tunnels, too.

If you mean, “Where does the money come from to get them?” In the past, it’s been well-known that the funding has been from Iran as the primary sponsor. But Hamas and Iran had a falling out and now Qatar has picked up the money part.

If you mean, “Where do the actual war supplies or arms come from?” ... the answer to that is “absolutely anywhere in the world” wherever there are smugglers and crooks and they want to make money.”

The bottom line here is that you give me the necessary money that I want — and I’ll get you ANYTHING YOU WANT delivered to ANYWHERE YOU WANT ... GUARANTEED!

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One last note here ... since the tunnels have been destroyed by Egypt and they are cooperating with Egypt ... Hamas can see that when their current supply of missiles are exhausted, they are IN BIG TROUBLE because they are not now able to get much through. Their stock of about four thousand missiles will be exhausted in time, and then they have nothing to threaten with. That ‘s why Hamas is absolutely desperate to keep this war going and rack up as many civilian deaths as possible, so that they can use that (and the destruction) as leverage by fooling the other nations in the world to get Israel to lift the embargo!


42 posted on 07/26/2014 10:49:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: UCANSEE2

I may be naive ... and that’s much preferable to being called a liar ... :-) ... but even so, I am going along with Israel’s official position, because I understand the position that Israel is in, and I think they have chosen the wisest course of action.

They are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Amd then, my perspective is also influenced by the Bible, which informs me that Israel will be a worldwide burden to all nations and that because of that, the world will eventually turn totally against it.

But even so, with that perspective from the Bible, I still go by current events and news reports regarding the “facts on the ground”!

This is a “problem” that is not going to be solved, no matter what anyone does about it.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 10:58:26 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diogenesis

The context of that was “from the USA”. I’m not saying that Hamas is not smuggling any arms into Gaza. They are smuggling arms in. You give someone enough money and they’ll be able to smuggle ANYTHING ... ANYWHERE. And Qatar is giving them enough money ... by the fact that they’ve been able to construct and assemble many thousands of rockets in their rocket factories in Gaza.


44 posted on 07/26/2014 11:09:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Of course I meant that in context of the USA ... I said in response to the other poster ...

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The context of that was “from the USA”. I’m not saying that Hamas is not smuggling any arms into Gaza. They are smuggling arms in. You give someone enough money and they’ll be able to smuggle ANYTHING ... ANYWHERE. And Qatar is giving them enough money ... by the fact that they’ve been able to construct and assemble many thousands of rockets in their rocket factories in Gaza.

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And you’re right about Sudan ... or anywhere else in the world where there are smugglers and people willing to make money. Stuff will be smuggled, given enough money.


45 posted on 07/26/2014 11:13:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
and I think they have chosen the wisest course of action.

Don't you mean the MOST HUMANE course of action ?

They are caught between a rock and a hard place.

More like between a threshing machine and a barbed wire fence.

This is a “problem” that is not going to be solved, no matter what anyone does about it.

Yeah, everyone has their idea for a quick and easy solution, but they are mostly just prideful rants.

This problem has been going on for 2000 years, and no one has solved it yet.

46 posted on 07/26/2014 12:29:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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