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US says photos show Russian artillery fired on Ukraine
Yahoo News ^ | July 27, 2014 | AFP

Posted on 07/27/2014 1:28:39 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

The United States on Sunday released satellite images to bolster its claim that Russian artillery has fired across the border into Ukraine, targeting government forces in support of separatist rebels.

The four images, prepared by the office of the Director of National Intelligence and forwarded to reporters by the State Department, show sections of the Russia-Ukraine frontier.

Two show what the US government alleges are Russian batteries on its own territory -- one group of multiple rocket launchers and another of self-propelled howitzers.

Pictures also show impact craters near military positions on the Ukrainian side of the frontier.

A third picture shows what Washington alleges is Russian-supplied heavy weaponry being fired by separatists from within Ukraine.

"The wide area of impacts near the Ukrainian military units indicates fire from multiple rocket launchers. The bottom impact crater inset shows impacts within a local village," the caption said.

Moscow denies directly intervening in the Ukraine conflict and has accused Washington of mounting a smear campaign against it.

Washington turned up the pressure Thursday, alleging Russia had fired across the border and planned to deliver "heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers" to its rebel allies.

Then, the State Department cited only "intelligence information" to back up its claim before releasing the photographs on Sunday to strengthen its case.

Ukraine also claims two of its fighter jets were downed by missiles fired from Russian territory, but its US ally has yet to confirm this.

Fears of the damage that Russian arms could do in the hands of Ukraine's separatists increased sharply after a civilian Malaysian airliner was shot down over rebel territory with the loss of 298 lives.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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To: caww
Well,... the guy who spoke was highly irritated because the public is believing a lot of the propoganda that’s being released...and it’s being released by those who are interested in creating friction between Russia and the Us as well as others playing “armchair” warriors.

So then what you are saying is that you Putinistas are really working on behalf of the Obama administration here in protecting Russia by debunking the information presented here that makes it look bad.

I'm sure Barack is grateful to you for your services.

61 posted on 07/27/2014 5:05:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: caww

Maybe that State Department official was from a time when the Chi town Omob wasn’t running the place. Remember, these are the architects of the famous You Tube video that smeared Islam and caused the spontaneous demonstration in Benghazi./sarc

They believe everyone is too stupid to notice anything odd about their offerings.


62 posted on 07/27/2014 5:07:35 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Uncle Chip

should have done it when Russia invaded Crimea.


63 posted on 07/27/2014 5:08:49 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: newnhdad

That took everyone by surprise — there was no way to stop it.

This on the other hand —


64 posted on 07/27/2014 5:12:23 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff
I personally think when the propaganda levels increase it's often times to distract the public when something is either going on or will be. Both sides like to also divert the public, especially when their up to something they aren't sure what the consequences will be.

Australia announced they would be sending their people to the crash site “ARMED” though understandable why they think they should that's not going to go over well at all, the people living close to the crash are going through some major trauma having seen bodies in groups fall from the sky as well as firey pieces of the aircraft landing in their homes, yards and houses. More times than not the bodies were naked as the blast blew their clothes off or burned off....

That is one of the reasons the mayors in those communities attempted to gather up the bodies...the public is just a mess psychologically...not to mention Kiev cut off all pensions etc. so these people, who were struggling before this conflict...had this event to contend with on top of everything else. Most of those villages are far removed from the cities....country people who live very simple lives.....so this conflict and the crash has more than devastated them. BTW....The mayors of those villages could not contact anyone , nor did anyone attempt to contact them concerning what to do with the bodies....the people were tramitized from the crash...but then seeing bodies in their homes etc....they began the mayors had no choice but to gather up what they could to calm the people down.

65 posted on 07/27/2014 5:12:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: Uncle Chip; McGruff; dforest; tcrlaf
Don't take it personally Chip....most are simply looking for the truth regardless which side is putting the stuff out there. Truth matters to some more than others and why we want ALL the information and to determine if it's so or not.

As mentioned before...these events happening in Ukraine are far more significant then what is being presented to the public, and the players are playing on a board that is dangerous and highly volatile........”Official” Information needs to be official no matter which side puts it out....I don't see it yet regarding this satellite photo.

If you recall Russia's photo's were explained in detail by their Military personal, and then sent to all nation leaders.......and 'declared' their "official Assessment" up to that time......

..... So was this photo now circulating something someone manufactured and just sent it rolling on social Internet sites....or is it Official" business from the State Dept???? That needs to be confirmed.

66 posted on 07/27/2014 5:23:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: dforest

Well, remember the video of the conversation supposedly between the rebels ...that was clearly debunked and shown to be spliced together.....gotta love the professionals who can zero in and determine what is what.

Unfortunately by the time they do so the public’s already bitten hard...and then run with it!


67 posted on 07/27/2014 5:27:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

That sir, is what has happened.

Really, it is very sad that this country has sank so low that we can no longer believe our country to act with any honor. if they can lie so much to us, we know they will lie to anyone. That is the real problem.


68 posted on 07/27/2014 5:37:06 PM PDT by dforest
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To: caww

‘Proof’ Russia is firing at Ukrainian troops: U.S. State Department publishes satellite images it says show Russian artillery being used to back pro-Kremlin rebels

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707650/Proof-Russia-firing-Ukrainian-troops-U-S-State-Department-publishes-satellite-images-says-Russian-artillery-used-pro-Kremlin-rebels.html

So you were saying —


69 posted on 07/27/2014 5:42:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Show me where the State Dept says THEY issued this please....not just ‘another’ media source.

...there’s too much propaganda flying to take any of it at face value at this time from the MSM....and that’s because it’s a critical time...both sides propaganda machines are pumping it out there.


70 posted on 07/27/2014 5:49:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: Uncle Chip

Show me where the State Dept says THEY issued this please....not just ‘another’ media source.

...there’s too much propaganda flying to take any of it at face value at this time from the MSM....and that’s because it’s a critical time...both sides propaganda machines are pumping it out there.


71 posted on 07/27/2014 5:49:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Here:

And as an international team of investigators were finally allowed access to the crash site yesterday, Putin and his henchmen showed no sign of scaling down their aggression.

[Yesterday was Saturday July 26 — 10 days after the shootdown]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707368/Putin-s-secret-army-HQ-exposed-A-chilling-eyewitness-dispatch-epicentre-clandestine-operation-smuggle-rockets-town-launched-strike-doomed-flight-From-IAN-GALLAGHER.html#ixzz38ih8PnQc

So you were saying —


72 posted on 07/27/2014 5:52:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: caww
Show me where the State Dept says THEY issued this please....not just ‘another’ media source.

Show me where the State Department says they didn't issue this --

73 posted on 07/27/2014 6:01:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You're lazy on this matter....your response says it all.

However, unlike you 'before' I put the question out there ‘IF’ or not the State Dept. had “Officially” declared this satellite photo was indeed their’s.....I checked their Gov. site....

Low and behold dear friend....there's ‘NOTHING’ there relating to this photo or the photo itself....nor any press releases or comments from the state dept. at this time.

So now you check their site....perhaps you can find something which would at least signify the state dept had anything to do with it.

74 posted on 07/27/2014 6:29:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: Uncle Chip
You're lazy on this matter....your response says it all.

However, unlike you 'before' I put the question out there ‘IF’ or not the State Dept. had “Officially” declared this satellite photo was indeed their’s.....I checked their Gov. site....

Low and behold dear friend....there's ‘NOTHING’ there relating to this photo or the photo itself....nor any press releases or comments from the state dept. at this time.

So now you check their site....perhaps you can find something which would at least signify the state dept had anything to do with it.

75 posted on 07/27/2014 6:29:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Show me —

Just because you can’t find it doesn’t mean that they didn’t issue it.

The Daily Mail did —

What’s a matter with you???


76 posted on 07/27/2014 6:45:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: caww

“Unfortunately by the time they do so the public’s already bitten hard...and then run with it!”

This has Obama/OFA written all over it. This is their Standard Operating Procedure, and it won them two presidential elections.

Throw something out there to feed or support a meme, and hope the low-infos /media pick it up and run with it. By the time it gets debunked, it has become the “accepted” truth.

If it backfires, they just deny ever having anything to do with it.


77 posted on 07/27/2014 6:46:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; caww

You don’t get it, tcrlaf —

caww is saying that the State Department did not approve of the release of this information.


78 posted on 07/27/2014 6:55:45 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

No doubt in my mind he knows it’s out there.....it couldn’t have gone this long without a denial...looks like he’s going to let it run regardless.....but the State Dept. isn’t saying a word on this thus far...which tells me somethings way off about this satellite photo.

Obamas playing tricks...while dang it Russia puts their “Official” assessment out there with the evidence they have....regardless if it’s true or not..or we like it or not...it is “Official.”

The low-infos will always believe anything....I listen to a woman speak today and no matter which angle she took to somehow excuse her savior Obama...it wasn’t working. You could hear the frustration in her voice that this just couldn’t be possible her hero would let she and her people down this way.

He’s not going to change his tactics because it works on this dumbdowned nation.

Meanwhile....one other guy ‘saw the light’....and he’s so po’ed at Obam you could hardly hear a single clean word from his mouth! LOL


79 posted on 07/27/2014 6:59:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: Uncle Chip; tcrlaf

....”Caww is saying that the State Dept. did not approve of the release of this information”......

No...that is not what I said, and why you get confused so much.

I want to see/know that it’s an “Official” photo from the state dept...’from them’..... or is someone just saying it’s been released from the state dept....BECAUSE...that is not how the state dept does things on something this important....nor is the photo to their standards, it’s sloppy.

Further they’re saying nothing about it...not confirming nor denying.....which is usually done.


80 posted on 07/27/2014 7:10:10 PM PDT by caww
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