Posted on 07/29/2014 6:59:33 AM PDT by aardwolf46
Something I noticed on youtube and was about a month old when MH17 was shot down, this account seems to be severely at odds with much of what we see in the MSM....
This makes several claims I've seen of Ukrainian fighter-bombers hiding behind airliners and then peeling off to bomb separatist targets. The basic bottom line wrt MH17 seems to be that Ukrainian air traffic controllers routed it into a war zone and ordered it to drop altitude, i.e. set it up like a skeet target. The question of who actually shot it down seems fairly irrelevant.
You are absolutely correct, but apparently not in the way you intend.
Russia has had it with an independent Ukraine and is systematically punishing them for not toeing the Russian line.
Finally, there are essentially no Ukrainian rebels. These “rebels” are overwhelmingly Russian, and by Russian I mean that they make their homes in the Russian Federation, not in Ukraine. Russian propaganda has taken a serious foothold on Free Republic, I am sad to say.
Lenin and Stalin thank you for your service.
Is that a threat, McGruff???
Putin will rely on comrades like yourself to hunt down the rebels in this country who oppose him. Not willing to beat them so join em huh?
Sorry, lormond, the Pauls are “yet another new world order subterfuge” YANWOS(tm).
The Paulbots positions are:
a) legalize drugs (nwo IS the drug business, has been for centuries (Warren Delano, FDR’s grandpa, made his fortune in the Chinese Opium trade, as reported by the New York Times))
b) go on the “gold standard”, which will send the price of gold skyrocketing and more importantly keep the US Treasury borrowing, since it STILL would refrain from creating money, which is the right of ALL governments. NWO (elite international finance families) has had very good control over the commodities markets, especially precious metals, for centuries. These things are their “stock in trade”. It is impossible to out-trade someone in a market where their pockets are way deep than yours. Time and time again, elite finance has caused financial panics and they and their chosen friends, being well-financed by them, purchased enormous amounts of holdings at pennies on the dollar. The Pauls also present kind of a crazy, quirky political program, as it is combined with a lax attitude on illegal drugs. This keeps intelligent conservatives from supporting them, and they, being the biggest alternative to the Federal Reserve, thus keep intelligent conservatives from gaining any momentum on abolishing the Fed. It has turned into “audit” the Fed, which is meaningless, since all the accounting entries have been made, and so an audit would not turn up anything out of the ordinary. What’s out of the ordinary, of course, is the underlying fact that the US government has turned over the right to create money to the Fed, which means that the US government must borrow via international banking.
See, NWO is so pervasive in our society, it’s like the backdrop to everything we see. So we can’t see it. We refuse to admit that our view of the world might be wrong. So NWO stays comfortably hidden in plain sight.
The Ukrainian army is shelling the Russian rebels, who are hiding behind civilians, firing at them from apartments, and hiding their heavy armaments — like their BUK systems — between buildings in the middle of towns.
The Russian rebels are fighting like Hamas —
FWIW, when I asked the Kiev crowd that, they said yes. I would say no. I believe that people have an absolute right to vote themselves free of a government, as long as they have a plan for the future.
What if it's southern CA and AZ? If they get so hispanic that that's what they want, good riddance!
Ukraine is a coup gov with all of its support coming from the west. Of couse eastern Ukraine should have the right to set their own path. They aren't attacking outside their regions, they're defending from aggression by their supposed countrymen. Kiev bombing those who want to be free of Kiev with loans supplied to them by the EU/US and with surveillance from the US is disgusting.
(You pro-Kiev posters....this post should keep you busy for awhile!)
Looks like you better get a bigger bunker for when Putin invades, Russia’s Bunker-Smashing Rockets Have Arrived in Iraq.
When I say “assimilation” I’m referring to things like the “European Bank for Reconstruction and Development”, the World Bank, the IMF, the US-Ukrainian Business Council, etc.
I’m referring to a few folks with long US State Dept/CIA backgrounds which went into private equity (I trust you know that this means business investment), which were operating in Ukraine since 1992.
Things like crop insurance are being pushed bigtime at the Ukrainian agriculture industry, notably with AIG as the driver, and the purpose of this is so that agricultural financing can be securitized and sold in world bond markets.
The push is by the Western “branch” of globalism to bring the “breadbasket” of Ukraine under the umbrella of Western banking and finance, to bring it into the geopolitical orbit of the EU - which will then subject Ukraine to EU Law. Yes, the EU, a supra-national body, imposes its laws on member nations. See, that’s an easy way for globalism to force a law on numerous nations all at once, saving them the time and effort of political manuevering in each nation separately trying to acheive the same legislative agenda.
This push by the West began in 1992.
See, globalism is fine if countries are in the Russian sphere of influence, fine if they’re in the Chinese sphere of influence, and fine if they’re in the Western sphere of influence. Each of these spheres of influence are part of globalism’s structure; it’s like mafia families dividing up turf.
But what globalism hates is if a country with considerable raw materials and population is independent of all of those spheres of influence; if they trade and do business in their own interest with other nations as they choose on terms they negotiate. See, they won’t borrow internationally so much. They won’t allow a puppet government so much. It’s a lot of work then for NWO to get operatives into the country and manipulate, because they don’t have their strong levers of international finance and international organizations. The only tools they have are corruption of individual officials, corruption of churches, corruption of powerful organizations, etc. They’re working from the low-level up. By bringing a country into the EU or similar body, they’re imposing their rules from the top-down, so they need not put so much effort into controlling the “details” inside the newly “captive” nation.
While people are throwing childish insults around at each other, Kiev did a MAJOR escalation today, firing BALLISTIC MISSILES at rebel-held cities. Namely Scarab-B’s.
When Saddam did it, it was considered a MAJOR WAR CRIME.
Is there an article that can be posted as a new thread ?
So then who do you believe shot down MH17???
Oh, so your brand of conspiracy is slightly different than that of the Paulhroids....like the difference between Shiites and Sunnis...eliminate one prophet, and you would all agree with each other.
I think that your question was rather definitively answered back in 1865.
Because the ever-reliable Russian media said it? Stop the presses, it must be true! And when I say “stop the presses”, I mean, “do it now or you might accidentally come down with a bad case of polonium-210”.
Russia is ranked #148 in the world in terms of press freedom. Russian media is basically a well-funded, centralized propaganda operation. Even blogs are legally required to toe the party line. The media agencies pay actors to go around to different areas to make up stories, which they package into sleek “reports” to put up online.
Some of the more funny times were when they had the same actor give wildly different stories on different networks (one news agency even managed to track down one of their actors and pretend to be another Russian news agency, and she discussed with them what sort of rate they usually pay her and what sort of story to make up this time).
I’d say the shark-jumpingest moment had to be was the “Ukranians crucify a child in Slovyansk so they could cut him up in front of his mother before keel-hauling her on a tank” one. I mean, the cameraman had to be trying not to ruin the take by cracking up on that one. If you’re going to go that ridiculous, why not just outright say “they all eat Russian babies for dessert!” and get it over with?
I think when the smoke dies down, we are going to hear about a LOT of things, from both sides. It is a civil war, after all. In a country that was very violent long before this ever began.
Terrorism is globalism-sponsored, as it’s impossible to operate a criminal syndicate with ongoing financial operations and transactions and not be noticed by government financial and law enforcement surveillance. Case in point, the terrorist leadership that peacefully resides in the UK and US, planning, directing and building their organizations and activities while they raise funds and move them about unhindered.
A globalism sphere, i.e., Chinese, Russian or Western, sponsors terrorism against its own people to manipulate the public viewpoint. But since the Russian and Chinese spheres are pretty much run autocratically, they don’t have such elaborate programs at manipulating public opinion in their spheres. Where coercion is normal, manipulation is not so much necessary. The West, however, with its sophisticated practices required to maintain the perception of freedom of its “sheeple”, is far and away the leader of the three when it comes to sponsoring attacks against itself - financial as well as geo-political - as a means to maniplulating public opinion.
There’s no point to one sphere committing acts of terrorism against another sphere, as the spheres are just agreed-upon divisions of turf. They’re all on the same team, ultimately, the globalism team. The Russian and Chinese spheres were converted to “communism” after their monarchies were toppled by the globalist financial elites because it was possible to institute communism without too much public backlash, as those peoples were accustomed to living under autocratic rule for many centuries.
Externally, what is seen publicly, is a military, geo-political competition, between the spheres. To globalist elites, this is the game they have played for centuries. The actual heads of State will never admit that they are pawns for bankers, publicly, of course. They will simply continue to heed the advice of their top advisors, which are all operatives for the bankers. Typically the heads of State have generations of their family tree dedicated to service to the globalist banking elites, though sometimes illegitimate children and protoges who have worked their way up the globalist minion ladder and have been molded since their early years will be made a head of State.
So in this geo-political “competition”, the public face of competition between east and west, is presented as a military competition, but there is no chance of any military action without the direction of the globalist elites, as the head of State knows that starting a war is “above his pay grade”. When events happen, the heads of State will consult with their top advisors, who then can manage each nation’s official response to the event. The heads of State can then be kept unaware of globalist terrror events, thus they personally all have clean hands and can not reveal secrets that they do not know, and at the same time there is no chance that any head of State will have a reaction other than was planned and transmitted to their top advisors to be “recommended” to the head of State. And all the while, the “competition”, and causes for war, can all be very legitimate-looking to the public, since the media response can be guided by a few simple orders transmitted to key personnel at the news media companies. The Washington Post and the CIA have perhaps the most noteworthy incestuous relationship in this regard.
There really is no other alternative than this is yet another financial elite terror operation.
My question did not require a dissertation —
No, the Pauls are part of the conspiracy.
I’m merely noting parts of the conspiracy, such as has been done, in pieces and parts, for over a century.
Have you listened to Professor Antony C. Sutton’s interview on the essential part played by Western elite finance in the rise of the NAZI party ?
Professor Sutton was an esteemed Professor of Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. You know, where Condi Rice is a Fellow ?
Here is the Sutton interview, some food for thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vZNSAi-QM
As I noted, that question is all but irrelevant. Ukrainian air traffic controllers ordered the plane into a war zone and forced it to drop altitude, i.e. set it up like a skeet target, and this is after multiple claims (as in the video) of Ukrainian fighter bombers using airliners as cover while attacking separatist positions. Even if the separatists DID shoot the plane down which I'd still bet against, they were just trying to defend their own people from being bombed.
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