Posted on 08/02/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by bray
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:22 NIV
Now the latest talking point by the DNC is that only Republicans impeach presidents. They conveniently forget their attempt of impeaching Bush over the supposed outing of a paper pusher in the basement of the CIA. Of course the Marxist establishment attempted to make her into a female version of 007 when in reality she was nothing more than a glorified secretary and this minor indiscretion was made into the crime of the century. Right up there with Bush lied about the WMD which they had endless hearings on only to find no deception by his administration whatsoever. Does anyone really think these were not supposed to lead to his impeachment?
So we have an outraged Marxist media and their Party making it sound as if the President has done nothing wrong when a few years earlier they sent a man to jail in an attempt to impeach Bush. They were outraged that a Democrat activist working in a gummit agency was revealed, but have no issue at all that a gummit agency was targeting American citizens. Apparently, if the CIA was targeting citizens whose only crime was dissent, that is fine as is the destruction of incriminating evidence as long as it is against Tea Partiers or as the President calls them, Tea Baggers. Our watchdog media would have been right at home in Nazi Germany.
We got a brief glimpse inside the mind of IRS head Lois Lerner when a non destroyed email had her calling Tea Partiers a__ho_s and terrorists with one of her fellow IRS heads. Wonder what other names and incrimination is on those conveniently lost records? This is the same lady, and I use the term loosely; who met with the President 150 times during the first four years of his administration. America is supposed to believe this community organizer who knows that money is the lifeblood of his reelection was not making sure she stalled their tax exemption? This is the same guy who had his political opponent’s divorce records unsealed to win his Senate race, so this was a no brainer to stop the momentum of the Tea Party.
So the same group who sent Scooter Libby to jail for three years and destroyed him financially are incensed that anyone would even consider impeaching this crook. If Nixon was impeached for threatening to use the IRS on his political enemies and supposedly destroyed 30 seconds of recording tape, we are now supposed to ignore the actual use of the IRS on your political enemies and the destruction of hundreds of hours of email conversations.
The conventional wisdom, the Three Pillars (academia, media and the DNC) say that impeachment will help their messiah. They believe the people will rally around the presidency and be repulsed by his impeachment trial. That may be true if you have the Clinton machine behind them and they can laugh it off as only about sex, but this is about attacking American citizens with the strength and power of the gummit. A large number of Americans still understand the concept of fair and the only thing less popular than congress and gridlock is the IRS. When it is shown there was a coordinated effort to make his opponents’ lives miserable with an all powerful entity his favorability levels are going to flat line.
Are the Three Pillars really saying that if and when Republicans capture the White House it is fair game to go after Marxist groups with gummit agencies? After all if they are going to make the case that all of this corruption is fine when they are in charge it has to be fine when they are not.
Will it be ok to close down these temples of indoctrination? Can we go after the Unions and assorted groups with spy agencies and shut them down? Can we spy on the media without any concern for their privacy rights? These questions have to be brought into the light and allow the voting public to cast their votes on whether America decency no longer exists or do we now have a country that can bully its citizens? Say what you want about GW Bush he respected the American people and they respected him. Those days are over since we have a president who dislikes America and despises his political enemies. We are at a real crossroads in this country and especially in his Party do these means really justify the ends?
We have enough questions about law breaking to begin impeachment proceedings which is nothing more than an investigation of those infractions. It is nothing more than a check against an executive branch that is using the power and strength against its own people which we have seen. The only question now is who was directing this illegal use of the IRS and cover up. We have to know whether or not he is so vindictive he would order his cabinet to break the law and use their offices to harass and harm American taxpayers. If he did then he needs to pay a price as do all of his leaders who did the actual acts.
The precedent has been set with Scooter Libby who the Dems used to get Bush impeached and was sent to jail for 30 months before he was pardoned. It was also set time and time again with the Dem committees to find evidence of lying over and over from the Truther investigations to WMD and any other thing they could invent to destroy Bush’s administration which they finally with the help of the Three Pillars accomplished after years of vicious attacks and false charges. The Republican Party does not have a willing media that will investigate any of these actual crimes due to loyalty to their Marxist agenda. This in addition to a corrupt Attorney General there is no check for a corrupt Executive Branch and that is an investigation and impeachment. The founders brilliantly put this in the Constitution to prohibit the President from deciding he is a king and could dictate from the Executive Branch where all the power is concentrated.
We are now in a Constitutional crisis as the Marxists have taken control of this country through the front door. They are on the verge of turning our democracy into a dictatorship to make slaves out of the masses through the use of gummit agencies like the IRS, NSA, EPA, FBI and whatever agency they require to control the people. The people have one check and balance and that is the congress where this can be stopped, although it will take courage and dedication to the freedom our founding fathers envisioned. It will take faith in the American people to want freedom more than Obamaphones. It won’t be about Party, elections or career enhancement it will be about starting to bring down the Three Pillars and relighting Lady Liberty’s torch. It is time to go back to 1776 and throw out a corrupt king.
Pray America wakes up
Impeachment is a Democrat tar baby.
As I have said before, In the current media environment, Impeachment would be an absolute mistake.
What we should be doing is stating very clearly, and loudly that everyone in this administration, ESPECIALLY THE MINIONS, will be held personally accountable for the crimes and abuses that have been committed.
“Personally” meaning THEY have to pay for their own attorneys, and will do jail time when convicted.
The threat of actual criminal charges against the low-level minions will shake up that cone of silence. Obama can’t pardon everybody, and if he does, that in itself is proof enough to go after them.
impeachment can be used as a political weapon without actually firing it
Rush has been good of late on this..impeachment is a political weapon of last resort....
you do not need to use but neither do you forbid it use...
think of it like a Cold War nuke..the threat can be used to put a rouge in check
We have rogue president out to destroy this country we are in a cold Civil War
If by some chance we win in 2016 then we can go after him. My recommendation for AG is Trent Gowdy.
Exactly!
Was a weapon, but not the main weapon, as that remains the propagandist Media, which more than ever controls public perception and opinion.
Numerous Gallup polls show that almost nobody trusts the current media.
We should not be afraid of them and do the right thing.
Well that was the first sentence of the articles, the Democrats talking point of late is only Republicans impeach.
I say that’s a blatant falsehood, Democrats impeach..
The fact that the Democrats got to there goal of removing a president before they actually submitted articles of impeachment is irrelevant.
It also shows how much impeachment is a political weapon. The Democrats were able to leverage the power of media to get Nixon ...vs the Republicans inability to leverage media with Clinton..
If the media were not totally in the tank for Obama he would have been hounded out of office just like Nixon. While Obama has done many thing worthy of impeachment, it would be a repeat of the Clinton impeachment with Democrats in lockstep in support and the media bring up the chorus. I say wait until November when there is a GOP landslide and both houses of Congress are in Republican hands. Obama will be backed into a corner and if he continues to ignore Congress with his executive orders then consider impeachment. I believe that not just a few Democrats are worried about Obama suddenly legalizing this flood of immigrants as the American people including minorities are opposed to such a move. Obama’s impeachment and removal from office could then be quite bipartisan.
The Democrats have become a fighting party, in the Bolshevik/NSDAP sense of the word. If you think that a poll is going to make them turn on “Obama”, you are sadly mistaken.
FUBO
you will be proven an ignoramus by mid 2015, to the point, even your most ardent supporters will be forced to admit you are an insufferable Devil Worshipin, Satanic Inspired, Kommunist.
Right now, many prominent supporters are openly admitting they are “disappointed”.
Cheap azz Kenyan imitation of an American.
You came with no batteries, instructions that can’t be decifered and half the time you just don’t work.
“think of it like a Cold War nuke..the threat can be used to put a rouge in check”
Very bad analogy. Impeachment is a hollow threat without the votes in the Senate.
Victory above all. Morals are for little people.
I believe that you are reading what you want to read. Impeachment has three possible outcomes, all political:
1. Conviction in the Senate and removal from office
2. Acquittal by the Senate
3. Adjournment of the Senate sitting in trial without a vote. This is what happened in Clinton’s Impeachment.
You can pursue the truthful message without any of the above. You can go after liberal Senators in red states without permitting the Democrats to energize their lethargic base. Given that the only good outcome of the three is unachievable, a different course of action is preferrable.
I believe you are denying what you want to deny.
Impeachment has three possible outcomes, all political: 1. Conviction in the Senate and removal from office 2. Acquittal by the Senate 3. Adjournment of the Senate sitting in trial without a vote. This is what happened in Clinton’s Impeachment.
As I pointed out, the failure to remove from office can still lead to three positive outcomes.
1. Rallying the people who don't like Obama and his actions.
2. Demonstrating to the remaining people that Obama and his actions deserve to be impeached.
3. Politically hurting the Democrat senators in red states who defended Obama's action and who voted not to remove Obama.
You can pursue the truthful message without any of the above.
The truthful message is that Obama should be impeached. There is no better way to articulate that message than to impeach.
You can go after liberal Senators in red states without permitting the Democrats to energize their lethargic base.
The Democrats will make things up and energize their base no matter what we. They've been doing it every election cycle.
We only do well when we energize the normal people in this country who aren't brainwashed. Go back and check our best election cycles and you will see that.
Remember 2010 when Republicans were fighting Obamacare. We had a great election cycle.
Do you remember 2008 and 2012 when the surrender types were in charge of the election cycle for the Republicans. Look what happened then.
You don’t understand, you can selectively cut off funding for any program...even departments can become unfounded. You can shut down the funding for the IRS, for DOJ, for Obama’s use of Air Force One for fundraising. And you can leave anything else intact.
While I appreciate your hopeful idealism on this subject, one thing that must never be forgotten is democrats live, breathe, eat, sleep and exist for the furtherance of their beloved Party. Liberals don’t think like Americans who chiefly value their families, country and God. Libs would give all that up if the interests of their Party were served. Their Party is their lifeblood; it’s their conduit to power and like the fellow-traveling Soviets before them, their connection to life. The Party is their Holy Spirit, and Obama is their god.
Ever notice the level of vitriol from libs when you utter even the mildest form of criticism toward their beloved Party or Obama? You’ve deeply and personally wounded them and their god.
They will never turn their backs on Obama. They’d sooner toss their families off the Golden Gate Bridge.
again I'm not advocating impeachment there isn't a political will in place ...yet... to actually pull the trigger and put him out of office.
But.... if you already excluded impeachment upfront.... then you just saying he can do... whatever he wants... and all you will do is stand around and just whine about it?.
look.. if he just unilaterally legalizes 12 million illegal give them the vote just before an election do we just stand around with our thumb up our ass?
Look the left are bully's.. and he is their leader... bully's will just keep abusing you, pushing the envelope more and more, until you fight back you can't say ..Oh I will never strike back.. even if the bully may win you still gotta fight back, throw a solid punch, at some point
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