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Putinís mask falls in Ukrainian crisis
santafenewmexican.com ^ | August 2, 2014 | Bill Stewart

Posted on 08/02/2014 11:59:42 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The confusion surrounding the war in Gaza and the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine should not obscure the fact that we have at last come face to face with the real Vladimir Putin. And it is not a pretty sight.

The evidence is overwhelming that the fighting between Ukrainian forces and those of Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine is the result of an overt Russian attempt to destabilize Ukraine and bring down its government. It is that interference that brought Russian surface-to-air missiles into eastern Ukraine, which subsequently brought down the Malaysian airplane. The blame for this tragedy lies squarely with Russian President Putin, who cannot bring himself to recognize that Ukraine, a former Russian province, is an independent country. His gut instincts are not so much those of a former KGB agent in the defunct Soviet empire, but those of an old-fashioned Russian nationalist, supported by the Russian Orthodox Church, who believes in the moral superiority of Holy Mother Russia and its destiny to rule. Putin uses the tools of the 21st century, but he is rooted in the 19th. It is also clear that his crude nationalism appeals to the Russian people, humbled and humiliated for more than 20 years by the collapse of the Soviet Union. For the moment, he is their hero.

More than the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine, Putin has destroyed Russia’s chance to become a genuine democracy in the wake of the communist collapse in 1991. It is true that the chaos that prevailed in Russia under the presidency of Boris Yeltsin shattered the hopes of many Russians that their country could become as prosperous and genuinely democratic as their neighbors in Western Europe. Instead, the knives and claws came out by well-placed individuals, the so-called oligarchs, who seized control of the commanding heights of the economy, and thus of the government itself, for their own personal gain, turning Russia into a giant kleptocracy. Putin, who had risen to become mayor of St. Petersburg, was handpicked by Yeltsin to succeed him in the hopes of restoring some kind of order to the chaos that had laid waste to the land. Instead, Putin has created a land of smoke and mirrors, lies and deceit. And he is surrounded by some of the same oligarchs who rose to power under Yeltsin.

It is a story of immense cynicism. Lying has become Putin’s, and thus Moscow’s, first line of defense, just as it was in the days of the Soviet Union. Truth has no value, unless, on the odd occasion, it serves the interest of the Kremlin. The various stories put out by Moscow surrounding the shooting down of the Malaysian plane, as well as the violence in eastern Ukraine, are not so much to tell a definitive story but to cast doubt on everybody else’s story, thus shielding to an extent Moscow itself. It is a sophisticated propaganda technique, especially as television and most of the media in Russia are state controlled. Russian state television for days told a story about a 3-year-old boy crucified in Kiev, his mother dragged through the streets by the fascist Ukrainian government. The story was a total fabrication, but it was enough to revive Russian memories of the invading Nazi army in 1941 and its cruelty to the Ukrainian and Russian peoples. As a result, Putin’s popularity soared. There are no stories other than those told by Moscow. Welcome to the clouded world of deception, the world of Putin. Under his leadership, Russia has become not only a kleptocracy but a mendocracy.

Western Europe is closely tied to Russia economically, especially in the matter of gas and oil. In fact, the surge in Russia’s economy under Putin has to do with the export of energy to Europe, and it is this economic success that underpins his popularity. This week, the European Union finally got its act together over the imposition of new and tougher sanctions against Russia, including gas and oil, as long as it continues to interfere in Ukraine. Russia, in turn, has threatened a rise in the price of those exports. The key question: Will Putin risk the sale of gas and oil, on which the Russian economy is overwhelmingly dependent, to pursue his policy of interference in Ukraine? Common sense would tell us no. But then Putin is an ideologue, and common sense might not apply. If he fails, he will fail big, and in this case, the Russian people might not prove to be so forgiving.


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1 posted on 08/02/2014 11:59:42 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about worrying about the “real” Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama, Jr.?


2 posted on 08/02/2014 12:04:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well said. And like the Soviet Union, Russia can be stopped by a determined US and Europe but there seems to be no such stoppage on the horizon. Obama will not take the lead and with America off the world cop beat, the world simmers and boils.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 12:09:12 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So, how is that Obama “Soft Power” diplomacy working out?


4 posted on 08/02/2014 12:13:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So we ignore the rest of the world?
Just what do you suggest we do about Dear Leader?
Maybe we could hold demonstrations and get him removed.
Oh wait, that was a coup when the Ukrainians did it to their corrupt turd of a leader...


5 posted on 08/02/2014 12:13:58 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma,
(Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

In Russia, live like Russians.
Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws.
If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslims, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law.
Russia does not need Muslim minorities.
Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’.
We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture.
We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.
The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia.
The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.
When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

Vlad can pretty much do as he pleases.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 12:15:27 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kozak

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7 posted on 08/02/2014 12:15:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe. Your posts on Putin have been a refreshing change from the previous steady pro-commie/pro-Putin drumbeat around here.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Putin is a genocidal mass murdering war criminal and terrorist. Bathhouse Barry is nothing but a limp-wristed punk.

You can tell a lot about a man by who their enemies are.

Some people are so obsessed with Bathhouse Barry that they don't think America has any other enemies.

On the other hand, people who have brains know that KGB Putin, the terrorist behind Iran, North Korea, the Castro brothers, Mugabe, Omar al-Bashir, Hizballah and HAMAS, is America's most dangerous and deadly enemy in the world.

9 posted on 08/02/2014 12:17:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: SunkenCiv
steady pro-commie/pro-Putin drumbeat around here.
10 posted on 08/02/2014 12:19:24 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tcrlaf

When we take America back from the Kenyan usurper, and elect a real American as President, then we will stand up as a nation against our Russian enemies, and we will destroy the genocidal Putin regime.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 12:19:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Kozak

Loudmouth Putin lovers aren’t going to do anything about Obama. They love Obama because he offers them the perfect excuse to hate the USA and support our enemies. What they really don’t want is a Republican President because then we would confront our Russian enemies with force.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 12:23:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Our most dangerous enemy sits in the executive mansion. Vladimir Putin would be a minor irritant were it not for who occupies the presidency. You not being able to see that is very strange.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 12:23:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is like a WWII vet suffering from PTSD which cannot adapt from soldiering back to normal business life, and apparently Putin likes to exploit and abuse that soldier’s dysfunction for his own personal conquests.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 12:24:52 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Anytime you want to meet in person, you let me know.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 12:25:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wrong. Putin invaded Georgia and murdered thousands of innocent people when Bush was still in office. Putin started shipping nuclear fuel to Iran in 2007. Putin's support for America's worst enemies all around the world has been going on long before the American voters inflicted Obama on this nation.
16 posted on 08/02/2014 12:29:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Don Corleone
And "as he pleases" pisses off Iz Lame and those who are in it's pocket more than anyone else.
17 posted on 08/02/2014 12:30:49 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not afraid of threats from stupid thugs.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 12:30:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Don Corleone

That is an internet hoax. He never held such speech and his real speeches are very far from such sentiment.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 12:45:13 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, then when a “stupid thug” threatens you, you’ll be all set, won’t you? Do you have any idea what the word “genocide” means? It’s “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.” Where has Russia done that since the fall of the Soviet Union? Provably.


20 posted on 08/02/2014 12:52:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are calling out individual freepers to meet you to fight, now?


21 posted on 08/02/2014 12:55:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

22 posted on 08/02/2014 12:55:16 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Don Corleone
Islam is inseparable part of Russia’s society and culture - Putin - August 30, 2012 - “Traditions of Islam are based on eternal values of kindness, mercifulness and justice. Millions of people in our country practice this ancient religion.” - Vladimir Putin
23 posted on 08/02/2014 12:56:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

Did I ping you? Can’t he speak for himself? What are you, his older brother? His dad? And where did I say the word “fight” in my earlier post?


24 posted on 08/02/2014 12:57:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Putin massacred and ethnically cleansed thousands upon thousands of innocent Christian civilians when he invaded Georgia unprovoked.


25 posted on 08/02/2014 12:58:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Link?


26 posted on 08/02/2014 12:58:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: mac_truck

It isn’t chess, he knows that Obama is weak and not really pro-west, and he is capitalizing on that and the rest of the weak pro-Russia Americans to muffle the pro-American/pro-Western voices.

You may have noticed that at FR, not only does Putin/Russia have a few supporters, but also some very recent Russian sign ups, supporting those voices.


27 posted on 08/02/2014 12:59:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No you didn’t ping me, but you haven’t had your threatening post removed either.


28 posted on 08/02/2014 1:00:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Russia’s chance to become a genuine democracy”

Democracy is an ideology from the pits of Hell, which is why the Founders feared it and why they did everything they could to prevent its ascendancy here.


29 posted on 08/02/2014 1:04:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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30 posted on 08/02/2014 1:06:05 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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31 posted on 08/02/2014 1:09:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That fits you well, you should have your threatening post to that freeper removed, and try to grow up a little.

Supporting Putin/Russia is one thing, but getting this passionate is too much.


32 posted on 08/02/2014 1:12:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Don Corleone
Putin Calls Russia Islamic World's Most Reliable Ally - July 7, 2008 - "Russia has always been the most faithful, reliable and consistent defender of the interests of the Islamic world." - Vladimir Putin
33 posted on 08/02/2014 1:12:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“then we will stand up as a nation against our Russian enemies, and we will destroy the genocidal Putin regime.

LOL ,,so what did you do in the war daddy? You seem to be the type that really likes it.


34 posted on 08/02/2014 1:13:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“because then we would confront our Russian enemies with force.”

You might lie and say you were, but there’s no way you’ve ever been a grunt, because you’d know how insane that sounded.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 1:15:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ansel12

You can worry all you want about some minor gadfly 8,000 miles away, while we concentrate on the tyrant who is bringing in diseased aliens, terrorists, arming LaRaza and Lulac, strengthening the fascist IRS, BLM, NSA and dozens of others and planning on confiscating our firearms. How is Putin in any way nearly as threatening as Mr. Obama and his minions?


36 posted on 08/02/2014 1:18:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

+1


37 posted on 08/02/2014 1:19:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino; Tailgunner Joe; ansel12

38 posted on 08/02/2014 1:20:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks Joe for providing some truth in the onslaught of Russian liars here at FR.


39 posted on 08/02/2014 1:28:23 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What kind of pro-Russia defense is that? The emerging Russian threat is what this thread is about, on other threads it is other topics.

You are wrong to dismiss Putin as just a gadfly, he will be increasing his threat to the America long after Obama is gone.


40 posted on 08/02/2014 1:33:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Loudmouth Putin lovers aren’t going to do anything about Obama. They love Obama because he offers them the perfect excuse to hate the USA and support our enemies. What they really don’t want is a Republican President because then we would confront our Russian enemies with force.

True, and Russia would be getting some blowback assuming it is a real President, like a Ted Cruz.

41 posted on 08/02/2014 1:35:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Again , WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO ABOUT DEAR LEADER?


42 posted on 08/02/2014 1:47:17 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Kozak

Not a damn thing, apparently.


43 posted on 08/02/2014 1:52:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m beginning to wonder if the people telling me not to worry about threats to America because of another threat to America are threats to America.


44 posted on 08/02/2014 2:07:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Don't let FR fade away! .

45 posted on 08/02/2014 2:18:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Don Corleone

Don Corleone, will this also be published in Spanish?


46 posted on 08/02/2014 2:22:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: SunkenCiv; Tailgunner Joe; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ...

The Democrats have no monopoly on The Lo-Info Voter.


47 posted on 08/02/2014 2:24:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Kozak

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


48 posted on 08/02/2014 6:22:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: armydawg505

We had no business destabilizing the Yetsenyuk government. How would we react if Putin had succeeded in destabilizing and installing his man in Mexico. Yes it is the same thing.


49 posted on 08/02/2014 9:18:46 PM PDT by IDFbunny
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We had no business destabilizing the Yetsenyuk government.

By "we" you mean the Ukrainian Parliament, right?

50 posted on 08/02/2014 9:20:29 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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