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Ukraine Claims a Victory and a Setback Against Pro-Russia Rebels
WSJ ^ | Aug. 4, 2014 | Anton Troianovski and Gregory L. White

Posted on 08/04/2014 8:56:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

Military Says It Took Back a Town Even as Some Troops Crossed Border With Russia

KIEV—Ukrainian forces were seeing mixed results in their battle against pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country on Monday, reporting they had moved closer to cutting off the separatist stronghold of Donetsk even as several hundred Ukrainian troops surrendered overnight across the Russian border.

Military spokesman Col. Andriy Lysenko told reporters in Kiev that Ukrainian forces had retaken Yasinuvata, a small city on the northern outskirts of Donetsk, closing off what he said was an important supply route for the separatists. A Twitter feed used by the separatists later denied the city had fallen, without elaborating.

While Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council released a battlefield map Monday showing Donetsk cut off from the rest of the separatist-held territory and the Russian border, Col. Lysenko told reporters that the city hadn't yet been completely isolated.

The government is calling on residents of rebel-held territory to leave their homes as the fighting intensifies and is providing humanitarian corridors for residents of Donetsk, Luhansk and Horlivka to flee safely to Ukrainian-held territory. City officials in Luhansk reported Monday that electricity, water and phone service had been cut off by fighting. Services in Donetsk remain operational, officials said, though shelling could be heard outside the city through the night.

Kiev's forces have made steady gains in recent days against separatist forces in the areas around Luhansk and Donetsk, but have sought to avoid a direct confrontation in those rebel stronghold cities. Defense Minister Valeriy Heletei, in an interview with the BBC's Ukrainian service aired Monday, said he was confident Kiev's forces would prevail but that retaking them would be difficult.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine
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To: McGruff

Dude, you’re weird. Your love for Putin is reaching new levels.


41 posted on 08/04/2014 1:06:43 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Now Putin’s cabin boys are posting their “erotica” on FR.


42 posted on 08/04/2014 1:06:49 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Dagnabitt

They are. They’re like those guys in prison who fall in love with a bully.


43 posted on 08/04/2014 1:09:56 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf; mac_truck; McGruff
Boris??

Wait, I thought I was Boris, you were Ivan, and mac_truck and McGruff were both named Vlad ??!!.

Think maybe this is an act by people entertaining themselves by being absurd? I mean, come on, second grade name calling, chew up the Pravy BS, regurgitate, repeat . . . ?

44 posted on 08/04/2014 1:10:57 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: McGruff

Bush = Ahmadinejad
/Kremlin logic
45 posted on 08/04/2014 1:11:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rashputin

How’re things in Moscow tonight, Putin?


46 posted on 08/04/2014 1:12:49 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Except Putin is helping the mad mullahs with their nuclear program.


47 posted on 08/04/2014 1:14:21 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

lol...

Your problem is that I UNDERSTAND why you focus on Putin, and controlling the language of this event so much.

Pure propaganda for those not paying attention. I bet you had a blast mocking Sarah Palin, too.


48 posted on 08/04/2014 1:15:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

You lose.


49 posted on 08/04/2014 1:16:22 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“You lose.”

You’re right, I’m losing because I’m just laughing too damn hard at you.


50 posted on 08/04/2014 1:18:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; elhombrelibre
Anything to change the subject. Funny, that they whine about that also.
51 posted on 08/04/2014 1:21:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

I’m right that you lose because you’re laughing too hard at me? What does that indicate? You agree that I’m right and then you say that you’re losing because you’re laughing at me. Well, I guess I can see why you’ve the type of mind that’s fond of Putin. If you think I’m funny because you think you’re losing, you must want to really please Putin.


52 posted on 08/04/2014 1:22:05 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

My point was you can respect Putin as an opponent without being a PUTINISTA. Bush did.


53 posted on 08/04/2014 1:23:17 PM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: 1rudeboy

They won’t be happy until their hero kills lots of Ukrainians. Then, they’ll have some other fatuous claptrap for their pro-Putin propaganda.


54 posted on 08/04/2014 1:23:27 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

Putin had to behave when Bush was president. That’s the difference, Boris.


55 posted on 08/04/2014 1:24:23 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Your continuous strawmen have become hilarious, as well as rather pathetic, as events continue beyond what you can spin. You name-call and obsfuscate, but present nothing of substance.

I’ve seen 8 yr-olds present more coherent arguments, (and more thoughtful insulting) than you do.


56 posted on 08/04/2014 1:26:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Putin had to behave when Bush was president. That’s the difference, Boris.”

Lol...
I’m sure you don’t realize it, yet, but you just agreed with my primary talking point.

(PS-Bush would NEVER have backed THE NAZI’s in some childish attempt to get back at Putin for embarrassing him over Syria, either)


57 posted on 08/04/2014 1:28:09 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff
Define "respect." Post photos of him shirtless? Call him a "hero," and the "savior of Christianity?" Accept the "proclamations" of his mouthpieces as Gospel? [pun intended]

_____
quotation marks simply added for emphasis

58 posted on 08/04/2014 1:28:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t know why you are trying so hard to attempt to ridicule those calling you out and pretend they must be on drugs etc... You are a member of a tiny fringe in America. Putin worshiper core comes from these groups

* Commies
* Conspiracy theory enthusiasts
* Children of Serb and Russian immigrants unable to find their place and thus rejecting the whole society

Adding all these together it is still a tiny minority laughed at by pretty much everyone else. People don’t have to be on drugs to call you out on your BS.


59 posted on 08/04/2014 1:28:35 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

You forgot Ron Paul supporters. Blame America first, and all that . . . .


60 posted on 08/04/2014 1:31:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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