Posted on 08/28/2014 8:24:02 AM PDT by mgist
The issue with pediatricians is usually their insurance acceptance.
They get flak from insurance companies if their patient base is less than 95% fully vaccinated.
It’s very very difficult to find a pediatrician who will allow anyone to deviate from the accepted schedule because of this.
I didn’t say they shouldn’t do it....I was just commenting on your “homeschool and no one will care if you vaccinate your kids” statement.
The fact that he’s lawyered up tells you that he’s not some random quackjob.
Wrongo.
I grew up in a large suburban town where most people had five kids, a lot had eight and ten, at least three, many - twelve.
Parents were known but not seen. We traveled on the bus and spent the days with just kids even, and especially in the summer.
Then our extended family included twenty cousins, now their families I know.
About 1% had a mentally handicapped sibling. No one had asbergers or Autism.
I never saw Autism, and I am in the medical profession, until I saw ‘Rainman’
Out of the many women I know now, including in my own family, I can picture ten of their kids, boys, off the top of my head, who spend their lives headbanging, screaming, and dealing with life in their own world.
It is new, it is epidemic and it is environmental.
If you want to chalk that up to government programs, go ahead
But it is not true.
Even if he did work at the CDC, say he is using a pseudonym or something, this assertion by itself is basically worthless. We have no confirmation of what he is saying from anyone else, and there is no evidence that the findings he says were covered up were even accurate findings that were vetted and replicated by other scientists.
“And if you say it is not prevalent, or that it is not environmental, you will continue to get nowhere with those who will not accept that lie.”
So basically, your position is “tell me what I want to hear or I’m going to put my fingers in my ears”.
Nope. The other way around.
Here’s the story.
Autism and autism spectrum conditions are prevalent in this country.
Everyone knows someone in their community, friends family, colleagues, who have a child or a sibling with autism or Autism spectrum - Asbergers etc.
Now, anyone, such as yourself, can attempt to change that fact because it’s not what you wan to know or hear or see, but you always find yourself in a fighting situation. Because the facts, even if they are presented to you in a chart, will not be what you want them to be.
So you will attack the truth teller.
My point is to mention that you will never win the argument with anyone who chooses to take a look at the facts.
But you waste my time
“It’s very very difficult to find a pediatrician who will allow anyone to deviate from the accepted schedule because of this.”
Boo friggin hoo. Don’t like the state of pediatrics? Go to med school and change it, don’t whine to me about it.
You’ve convinced yourself of “facts” that aren’t actually established, and then said that you won’t listen to anyone who doesn’t recognize what you have personally decided to be “facts”.
Why would anyone want to waste THEIR time on you?
Wow. Angry much?
I merely stated fact.
Because parents who wish to deviate from the schedule can just run take some classes at med school and do that themselves.
The big question is why do insurance companies apparently run pediatrics practices in this country. Doesn’t sound like they’re very free to practice.
Which was in response to someone claiming that people are forcing them to vaccinate their children, which is preposterous.
What facts?
Go ahead and present them.
By Kathleen Doheny
WebMD Feature
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
WebMD Archive
The number of children diagnosed with autism or related disorders has grown at what many call an alarming rate. In the 1970s and 1980s, about one out of every 2,000 children had autism.
Today, the CDC estimates that one in 150 8-year-olds in the U.S. has an autism spectrum disorder, or ASD. This expanded definition refers not only to autism but also to a collection of brain development disorders such as Asperger’s syndrome and a condition known as pervasive developmental disorder — not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS). Though all the disorders share some symptoms, they are different in other ways, including the timeline of symptoms and the severity, according to the CDC.
“Because parents who wish to deviate from the schedule can just run take some classes at med school and do that themselves.”
If you want to change the state of pediatrics, how else do you think you are going to do it? Whining won’t work.
“The big question is why do insurance companies apparently run pediatrics practices in this country. Doesn’t sound like they’re very free to practice.”
If you want insurance coverage, you are going to have to satisfy the requirements for coverage. That’s the same with any business. If you want medical practitioners to be free to practice without needing insurance, then we need to make them immune to lawsuits, but then I doubt you really want that.
Being on the Autism spectrum, I can tell you that we didn’t have Autism in my day because we didn’t feed it. I entertained myself by reading.
Now kids entertain themselves with cranial strobe lights. No wonder they can’t focus. They have trained their brains to rapidly change focus.
Every autistic child I know has a computer in their hand at all times.
“If you want to change the state of pediatrics, how else do you think you are going to do it? Whining won’t work.”
Reading incomprehension difficulty much?
The issue isn’t ‘the state of pediatrics’. It’s the ‘state of insurance policy coverage’.
All the med school in the world won’t change the fact that when you go into practice the insurance companies (and how many pediatricians would be in business if they didn’t accept any insurance?) would lower their payments to you or drop you altogether from their network IF your vaccination rate for your practice is lower than 95%.
Peds don’t have a choice. Regardless of how many years of med school they have under their belt.
It is environmental. and we are not being told why.
Moms can minimize risk by, well, at least admitting it. But also by being common sensical.
And where they cannot, the medical community has not studies, or tald us what the story is.
Is it plastics? Formula? Vaccines? too many vaccines at once? Leaky gut? antibiotic use? stimuli?
Prenatal ultrasounds are not proven to be safe for the developing fetal nervous system, yet we bombatd them with intense sound waves. For what? Funding to the industry, for one.
Peanut allergies were not what they are now. What’s the story? There is a story there.
“What facts?”
Don’t you mean, what “facts”? After all, I put that word in quotes for a reason. You seem to believe they are facts, but I haven’t seen you present any valid evidence for them, so I’m not going to grant them that status.
Anyway, the two points I quoted you on are the best example. You asserted that autism is more prevalent, and that autism in environmental. Neither of those assertions can actually be established at this point.
Now, as for what you just cited as evidence of prevalence, it doesn’t establish that at all. That only speaks of increased diagnoses, which does not tell us anything about prevalence. In order to do that, they would have to:
* determine and control for the rate of false diagnoses
* account for changes in diagnostic criteria
* account for changes in the definition of the disorders
* account for the prevalence of undiagnosed or misdiagnosed cases, both in the past and the present
Without bothering to take those additional steps, we can’t say much of anything about prevalence based on your little WebMD snippet.
From the Web Md item I just posted:
The number of children diagnosed with autism or related disorders has grown at what many call an alarming rate. In the 1970s and 1980s, about one out of every 2,000 children had autism.
Today, the CDC estimates that one in 150 8-year-olds in the U.S. has an autism spectrum disorder,
Whatever.
“Reading incomprehension difficulty much?
The issue isn’t ‘the state of pediatrics’. It’s the ‘state of insurance policy coverage’.”
Now you’re splitting hairs. You started complaining that pediatricians won’t treat people who don’t want to abide by a strict vaccine schedule. That’s an issue with the state of pediatrics that YOU, not me, brought up.
“All the med school in the world won’t change the fact that when you go into practice the insurance companies (and how many pediatricians would be in business if they didn’t accept any insurance?) would lower their payments to you or drop you altogether from their network IF your vaccination rate for your practice is lower than 95%.”
So what? You are free to practice medicine without insurance if you want to take the risk. So basically, you are whining that more doctors don’t choose to take that risk, so that you can have more unorthodox medical care. I’m still failing to see an issue here.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.