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Are American Troops Already Fighting on the Front Lines in Iraq? [GERMAN SF ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ]
The Daily Beast ^ | 09.02.14

Posted on 09/02/2014 8:46:29 AM PDT by GonzoII

Are American Troops Already Fighting on the Front Lines in Iraq?

The Pentagon is denying that U.S. troops are fighting ISIS on the ground in Iraq—but eyewitness accounts and Kurdish officials tell a different story.

ZUMAR, Iraq — The role of American Special Operations Forces in Iraq has remained hidden even while the U.S. air war expands. As momentum against ISIS picks up, they may be emerging from the shadows. In a pitched battle on Monday, Kurdish Peshmerga, backed by American airpower and what appeared to be U.S. troops, struck at ISIS positions in the strategic crossroads of Zumar.

Scenes from Monday’s battle provide a tentative but valuable glimpse into the evolving role of special operations troops and how that might be playing out on the ground in Iraq.

Kurdish forces had once held Zumar but lost control of the town in early August in the same ISIS offensive that drove tens of thousands of Yazidis into the mountains, fleeing massacres at the hands of the Islamist militants. As ISIS advanced, besieging religious minorities and driving the Kurds into retreat, President Obama expand the military mission in the country and authorized airstrikes against the group. The effect of U.S. airpower has been clear, pushing ISIS back and allowing Kurdish and Iraqi security forces to regain territory. The airstrikes have had another important consequence: providing a psychological boon to the anti-ISIS forces in Iraq that’s allowed them to regain some of the initiative in battle.

Over the past several days, Kurdish Peshmerga forces have massed in the thousands around the northern approaches to Zumar. Heavy equipment including rockets and mortars were positioned for the assault. Kurdish political and officials also told The Daily Beast that they would be utilizing weapons that had been flown in from countries including the United States and Germany, during the offensive.

At sunrise on September 1, trucks and vehicles packed the highway west of the Kurdish city of Erbil, capital of the autonomous Kurdish region, heading toward Zumar. In one direction The Daily Beast observed large numbers of Kurdish Peshmerga. In the other direction drove countless numbers of Iraqi refugees, fleeing the fighting with their families and personal belongings. “The fighting is too heavy. We’re looking for safety,” said Hassar, a resident of a small village near Zumar, as he sped away in a small sedan loaded with his family.

The battle began in the early hours of the morning with American airstrikes hitting ISIS positions in and around Zumar. Shortly after the bombs stopped falling Peshmerga infantry units began their advance. Initial reports indicated that the Kurdish fighters were advancing with light resistance, but that quickly changed as ISIS mortar and rocket fire began to rain down.

At the last checkpoint before the battle raging ahead, a little more than a five-minute drive from our position, my Kurdish security team got news from the front line that the fighting would be heavier than expected. Not only had the mutual shelling intensified, but word came that ISIS had reinforced its positions overnight with fighters from Syria.

As the fighting raged we sat and baked in the sun waiting to be brought closer. Then, the news came that our escort, a Peshmerga intelligence official, had been ambushed in route to pick us up. He had escaped, but two of his deputies were killed in the assault. By this time, Kurdish forces had opened up their second line of offense, moving in from both the northeast and northwest, attempting to envelop ISIS fighters in a pincer movement.

My Kurdish contact and I decided to approach the battle from western side of the Mosul Dam reservoir, the strategic dam that had been captured by ISIS before U.S. airstrikes allowed Kurdish and Iraqi military forces to retake it.

At around 10 a.m., the Peshmerga halted our movement. Fearing that the situation was changing rapidly, we asked the Kurdish security element accompanying us what was happening. “We don’t know,” they said, “we just got information that you cannot move forward.” Repeated calls were met with the same firm statement that we could not move forward.

Stuck out in the open with no clear sense of what was occurring in the battle that required us to be stopped, we made contact with high-level Peshmerga ministries, both in Erbil and on the ground in Zumar. “Yes, we want to let you in, but we can’t,” said one high-level Kurdish government official. “We have visitors, you’ll see them,” he stated. As we tried to decipher his cryptic response our answer came: multiple armored Toyotas swept down the mountain, passing within feet of us. The Toyotas were packed with what appeared to be bearded Western Special Operations Forces. I watched the trucks pass and saw for myself the crews inside them. They didn’t wear any identifying insignia but they were visibly Western and appeared to match all the visual characteristics of American special operations soldiers.

Contacts in the Kurdish intelligence service and Peshmerga leadership confirmed what we saw. “Yes,” one commander replied to our questions. “German and American forces are on the ground here. “They are helping to support us in the attack.”

“There are no U.S. troops on the ground in or around Zumar.” The Pentagon told The Daily Beast on Monday night. Captain Rick Haupt, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which has control over military operations in the Middle East, denied that U.S. troops were involved in the fighting but confirmed U.S. aircraft “performed one strike destroying several vehicles in the vicinity of Zumar” on Monday.

Kurdish officials told The Daily Beast a different story. Ranking members of the Kurdish military and intelligence service said that one team of U.S. Special Operations was on the ground in Zumar along with several German counterparts, working in conjunction with Peshmerga units. According to the Kurdish sources, U.S. and German special operations teams had taken up positions in Zumar that allowed them to coordinate with U.S. aircraft.

If American troops were active in the fighting in Zumar, as they appeared to be on Monday, and as Kurdish officials stated, it would mark a significant break with U.S. official policy. Even as President Obama has avoided getting the military more involved in Iraq, the mission has gradually expanded. U.S. airstrikes began as a policy to break the siege on Yazidis and prevent ISIS from attacking Americans in Erbil but have grown to “support Iraqi security forces and Kurdish defense forces” in their fight against ISIS.

By the end of the day on Monday, Kurdish officials announced they had full control of Zumar. Security in the town appeared to be tenuous at best, though, with continued reports of potential suicide bombers. These same officials estimated that roughly 100 ISIS fighters had been killed, with 38 captured. In an interview with The Daily Beast, General Yusuf, of the Peshmerga Ministry, stated that several foreign fighters were among those captured, including Afghan and Lebanese nationals.

With recent victories under their belt the Kurds appear poised to keep pressing the fight against ISIS and retaking territory they lost in early August. Something has changed in Iraq since the U.S. got involved. It may be the air war alone that opened the way for the recent Kurdish offensive or it may be the presence of elite ground forces. Even the air war may be relying on a small number of unacknowledged operators who are hidden in the shadows of the battle picking off ISIS targets.

As the air war in Iraq has expanded, U.S. ground forces have officially been kept far from the fighting, acting in an advisory role in secure locations in Erbil and Baghdad. Bringing special operations forces closer to the front lines could make them far more effective but greatly increases the odds of an American casualty. Positioned closer to the front, even at a distance from active ground fighting, troops can call in precision airstrikes and quickly bring in firepower that can sway the momentum of battle.

As the White House continues to mull over it options, the mounting successes of special operations forces, who have helped begin to turn the tide in Iraq, may provide a blueprint for a broader strategy.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; germany; iraq; isis; merkel; sf; sof
That a girl, Angela!
1 posted on 09/02/2014 8:46:29 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

And since Obama gets all his info from our media he may well believe that he’s really not doing anything in Iraq. Or maybe, he’s not really in control any longer and doesn’t know that either because those actually running the show haven’t had a press conference yet.


2 posted on 09/02/2014 8:53:29 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: GonzoII

You know damn well we have soldiers there. And it’s a matter of time when one will be captured or killed.


3 posted on 09/02/2014 8:53:53 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: GonzoII

“U.S. and German special operations teams had taken up positions in Zumar that allowed them to coordinate with U.S. aircraft.”

I figured that would be happening all along. As to the 38 prisoners that is a mistake. I would not be taking any ISIS prisoners.


4 posted on 09/02/2014 8:56:23 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: GonzoII

Bombs do not get dropped from US aircraft without FACS.


5 posted on 09/02/2014 8:56:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: GonzoII; Cap Huff

Just remember those American airstrikes had to have had spotters lasing the targets.


6 posted on 09/02/2014 8:57:51 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: GonzoII

It is the military’s job to normally deny where US SPEC OPS types are deployed with few exceptions. These men are most likely from the 5th group at Ft. Campbell as they have worked with the Kurds even long before the last war.


7 posted on 09/02/2014 8:58:31 AM PDT by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Exactly!


8 posted on 09/02/2014 8:58:43 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: Cap Huff

One more thing....get some boys.


9 posted on 09/02/2014 9:02:59 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: Parley Baer
I would not be taking any ISIS prisoners.

And as far as intel is concerned, the political and media lesson learned probably has been - don't take them out of country, and turn them over to the Peshmurga ASAP afterwards for them to adjudicate

10 posted on 09/02/2014 9:11:51 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: GonzoII

Seriously folks, you do not think the government would lie to us about something as serious as this do you? Did they lie about Vietnam? Did they lie about Cambodia? Did they lie about WMDs in Iraq?
No, not our government. /Sarc with a capital sarc


11 posted on 09/02/2014 9:12:15 AM PDT by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Phillip Nolan by the day.)
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To: Lumper20

More likely AF CCTs.


12 posted on 09/02/2014 9:23:35 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: GonzoII

Not troops — advisers.

[Recall that is what sucked us into Vietnam — upwards of 50,000 advisers.]


13 posted on 09/02/2014 9:32:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: GonzoII
Yep, last week, GROM, KSK, and DGSE left Cyprus for "whereabouts unknown". 3rd ETR from the French Foreign Legion missing from Djibouti also. They are probably reinforcing offenses in Western Sahara/Mali.

CIA SAD/SOG, SAS, or JSOC pax are probably in Syria and Iraq now.

14 posted on 09/02/2014 9:34:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: GonzoII

When Obama lies, he lies to EVERYBODY, even his base.
“What? At war? Us? Noooo...”


15 posted on 09/02/2014 9:35:04 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: GonzoII

““There are no U.S. troops on the ground in or around Zumar.” The Pentagon told The Daily Beast on Monday night. Captain Rick Haupt, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which has control over military operations in the Middle East.”

Since the Sunni Obozo and his Black Muslim buddies took over the outhouse after his first election due to voter fraud, when if ever, has that group of liars ever told Americans the truth?


16 posted on 09/02/2014 9:35:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (If you don't Donate to Free Republic. Shame on you! Freep Loaders are scum!)
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To: Dog

Not much lasing anymore. GPS to JDAM’s is very common.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jdam.htm


17 posted on 09/02/2014 9:37:19 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

We do not have to have FACs in all instances to hit targets. We have PGMs now that do not require FACs. Are we better off with FACs? Yes, that’s true. But we do have muns that do not require FACs. Heck, even for laser guided bombs we can use another plane or another platform to guide the bombs.


18 posted on 09/02/2014 9:40:07 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Dog

JDAMS are not laser guided, my friend.


19 posted on 09/02/2014 9:41:19 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: jagusafr

CCTs. Oh, the real silent professional who don’t write books.


20 posted on 09/02/2014 9:42:40 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: TomGuy
"Recall that is what sucked us into Vietnam"

Kerry, is that you?

21 posted on 09/02/2014 9:42:58 AM PDT by GonzoII ("If the new crime be, to believe in God, let us all be criminals" -Sheen)
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To: GonzoII

At a minimum the Kurds neew a few squads of US Air Force ground controllers. The notion that we could do effective air strikes for long without eyes on the ground speaking english is silly. Someplace along the way we’ll see a pic of a guy with a radio pack riding a camel up the Tigris river.


22 posted on 09/02/2014 9:43:16 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1
"with a radio pack riding a camel "

lol. Wrapped in a prayer rug no doubt.

23 posted on 09/02/2014 9:48:58 AM PDT by GonzoII ("If the new crime be, to believe in God, let us all be criminals" -Sheen)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Bombs do not get dropped from US aircraft without FACS.


IIRC that's exactly what Clinton did in Kosovo. The targets were designated by other high flying aircraft, and when evasive manoeuvers occurred due to AA missile launches the target lock was lost and the bombs went into free fall. This added to the civilian casualties.

Again, Clinton limited “boots on the ground”.

As an aside, we also destroyed a lot of dummy tanks from 30,000 ft.


24 posted on 09/02/2014 9:50:11 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Parley Baer

You’ve gotta bury them with pig organs first.


25 posted on 09/02/2014 9:50:35 AM PDT by struggle
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To: GonzoII

I doubt the Iraqis retook the Mosul dam all by themselves.

I suppose the less we here about that critical objective the better — but the quiet leads me to believe that our guys were very much involved.


26 posted on 09/02/2014 9:53:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a stBut is it grammatically catement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Them’s the guys. Well stated.

Colonel, USAFR


27 posted on 09/02/2014 10:04:07 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: GonzoII

I dunno, maybe it’s just me but it seems like IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HELL OF A LOT ****IN’ EASIER TO JUST LEAVE A FEW ****IN’ OCCUPATION TROOPS OVER THERE THEN WE WOULDN’T BE GETTING INTO A THIRD ****IN’ IRAQ WAR AND I... I...

I need a beer.


28 posted on 09/02/2014 10:16:52 AM PDT by wdk535
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To: jagusafr

You heard what the Secretary of the Navy said, right? He said the books the SEALS are writing are so poorly written that he’s going to start requiring Advanced Writing Classes (AWC) for all SEALS right after BUDS training. You get through BUDS and you’re going to have to pass AWC.


29 posted on 09/02/2014 10:29:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: wdk535
"I need a beer..*****'''"

You'd better have two...;0)

30 posted on 09/02/2014 10:33:23 AM PDT by GonzoII ("If the new crime be, to believe in God, let us all be criminals" -Sheen)
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To: vette6387
Given the weasel's propensity for vaguely worded directives, I wouldn't be surprised if some general took what he got and ran with it.

The other distinct possibility is that Zero doesn't know authorizing "air operations" usually entails authorizing forward air observers and their security teams.

Or it's another NATO member trained with the US for air ops (like the Germans or Brits) fulfilling that role.

31 posted on 09/02/2014 11:16:06 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Parley Baer

Taking prisoners is very important (as I learned from talking to NVA/VC POWS and defectors in SVN and Cambodia).

The hardcore Islamists won’t talk but a little waterboarding in pig piss might change their minds. If not, the desert hides a lot of secrets and bodies.

Kill a few of the most hardcore, in ways to be determined by the creativity of the human mind, and do it in front of the other prisoners. That might open up a few mouths.

The American and German Special Forces aren’t in Iraq to play with themselves. They are there to fight and destroy the enemy and they are doing just that.

If there are any pussies around, they are not in our military forces (though many of their leaders are ball-less pukes - esp. Dempsey). The pussies are in the White House and JCS and Secretaries of the military departments.

Comments about FACS and ground spotters are not only correct, but logical. They are also great moral boosters to not only the Pesh Merga but also the Iraqi forces (who are not stupid, just too often poorly led).

What you might be seeing, at least on a regional level, is a new coalition of traditional Iraqi forces and the Pesh Merga, with, perhaps, some of the Shiite militias, that will temporarily transcend individual group interests.

In a real dream world, they would be the beginning of a new Iraqi identity, one that transcends tribal, ethnic and/or religious identities. I know that this is nor going to happen on a large scale, but perhaps locally, we are seeing something new arise out of this Obama/Amaliki fiasco.

One can hope, but still kill the bastards in the meantime.


32 posted on 09/02/2014 4:00:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: elhombrelibre

Secy of the Navy Mabus is the biggest idiot and pussy of all our of military department secretaries. He’s allowing our Navy to get down to its lowest ship level in over 50 years, and not saying a word of protest.

He is the PROBLEM, not part of the solution.


33 posted on 09/02/2014 4:05:08 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: elhombrelibre
He said the books the SEALS are writing are so poorly written that he’s going to start requiring Advanced Writing Classes (AWC) for all SEALS right after BUDS training. You get through BUDS and you’re going to have to pass AWC.

They should have learned to write before they even got out of high school. I used to teach junior-level college students. Writing case studies was an important part of the class. I was appalled to find they couldn't write, even at the junior level. Not only should they have learned to write before they entered my class, they should have learned to write before they left high school.

34 posted on 09/02/2014 4:26:11 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Snort. Most of my interactions with SEALS over the years were when sharing information. Almost every one had superb writing skills, very advanced vocabularies and were highly intelligent.

Compare that to several fairly high ranking officers I dealt with that - were frauds. One Navy Commander couldn’t write at a fourth grade level.


35 posted on 09/02/2014 5:00:30 PM PDT by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I can’t claim the honor of having met many SEALs, but every special ops guy I’ve known was highly, highly intelligent.


36 posted on 09/02/2014 5:34:57 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Oh, they are. I was joking a bit.


37 posted on 09/02/2014 9:48:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

It was a joke because of the books some SEALS have written. They can write and I didn’t think anyone take it the wrong way.


38 posted on 09/02/2014 9:50:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: GonzoII

Kudo’s to this reporter for getting his or her behind out on the front lines where the bullets are flying in order to tell us what is really going on. Lord knows our government will never tell us the truth.

That said, I only want to know that information that our troops say does not put them in jeopardy!


39 posted on 09/03/2014 5:43:25 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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