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I don't know if his plan is good or not, because having the Justice Deparment transfer the duties would put even more power into the demonic hands of Eric Holder or other evildoers of his ilk. Why not simply eliminate the duties of the ATF entirely, and have all of its employees executed for treason?
1 posted on 09/17/2014 1:34:38 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator
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gee....

last time this happened was just before the oklahoma city bombing...

we had a dem president back then too...

hmmmmmmmmm....


45 posted on 09/17/2014 3:08:30 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."

The ATF started out as the Treasury Department's Prohibition Unit (later renamed to the Bureau of Prohibition), formed to enforce the National Prohibition Act of 1919 (the Volstead Act).

It was later renamed to become the Alcohol Beverage Unit, then again to the Alcohol Tax Unit.

Throughout its history it has been bounced around like a red headed stepchild from the Treasurey Dept. to the IRS, to the FBI, back to Treasury, then to the Department of Justice.

After prohibition ended in 1933 the department was basically out of a job and was effectively disbanded (at least on paper).

But it was saved by congress when they passed the unconstitutional National Firearms Act.

The old Alcohol Tax Unit evolved into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and was charged with enforcement of the new federal firearm laws.

After the muslim attacks on 9/11 the ATF was reorganized and its name was changed to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives - the BATFE.

Repeal the unconstitutional National Firearms Act and most of the reason for the BATFE to exist will go away too.


46 posted on 09/17/2014 3:20:39 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("If you want to test a man's character, give him power." -- Abraham Lincoln)
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ATF is the trailer park trash branch of feral government law enforcement.


49 posted on 09/17/2014 4:07:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. is making a huge first step, and he needs to be applauded for it.

To start with, it is incredibly hard to eliminate any government agency, because bureaucrats create poison pills that will create havoc. So transferring its duties to other agencies is a great start in the path to eventually drop most of these duties completely.

Second, you can’t just hand out pink slips, because the government employees unions will fight tooth and nail. When Reagan took on PATCO, while it was not a large union, it still was a heck of a fight to kill it. How he isolated it from the other unions took some real finesse.

This means that a lot of BATF&E personnel will be laterally transferred to other agencies, creating more problems. So if you can early retire and eliminate with attrition, every one who goes that way will be less hassle.

Trying to prosecute those who broke the law after Barry has left office will also be hard. But not impossible. And this may be key to slashing other government agencies.

That is, make them a deal: “Quit or retire now, and you won’t be prosecuted.”

There are a LOT of scoundrels in the bureaucracy that would jump at this opportunity, if they thought they were going to go down hard if they stayed.


51 posted on 09/17/2014 5:05:12 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Sensenbrenner introduces Bill to dissolve ATF.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


53 posted on 09/17/2014 5:28:40 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Put them in charge of pot growers. That is all.


54 posted on 09/17/2014 5:43:29 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Up yours IRS!)
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AT needs to go - along with Homeland Security, Bureau of
Lareau of land management and IRS


57 posted on 09/17/2014 6:24:47 PM PDT by ZULU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qLDFiQcjlY Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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Ok, I’m going to take just a little credit here. Sensenbrenner is my Congressman and I have written and called about ending the ATF at least 6-7 times.

It was in Milwaukee that the ATF had the joke of a ‘sting’ location where they lost a for real automatic weapon.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atfs-milwaukee-sting-operation-marred-by-mistakes-failures-mu8akpj-188952581.html

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/leads-on-gun-stolen-from-atf-fizzled-out-ih9b3i8-201363991.html


58 posted on 09/17/2014 8:04:26 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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A few years ago I was at a St. George, UT gun show and the ATF had a table there covered with different forms and manned by two men and a woman.

The guys looked like they felt they were in enemy territory - eyes shifting defensively/furtively and shoulders hunched up.

I told them that I couldn’t see why mail orders of pre-1898 reproductions - single shots and levers - had to go through a dealer. The guys just glared at me but the woman said that the best bet was to get a C&R license. That still didn’t answer my question but at least she seemed decent and wanting to help. The guys reinforced the jack-booted thug epithet.


60 posted on 09/18/2014 9:37:40 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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