Posted on 09/19/2014 9:39:11 PM PDT by This Just In
Yes, we do enjoy organic grass fed free range beef, chicken, pork, lamb, and such. Try to buy our eggs from local growers.
Perhaps you are reading more into this than is warranted. In my case, it has nothing to do with superstition and everything to do with being respectful of other people's means of expressing reverence.
L-Carnitine is found in two amino acids (proteins), methionine and lyseine, which are part of a balanced vegan diet, such as rice and beans or pasta and peas. L-Carnitine in red meat, however, has recently been found to be converted in the intestines into trimethylamine oxide (TMAO)), which is "a nasty little compound that is believed to have a role in heart disease, probably by interfering with normal cholesterol metabolism".
I’m willing to bet that this quote comes from your typical anti-red meat “study”. I’m not suggesting that you’re willing posting false information, but I would like to see the source.
From one that apparently knows ALL there is to know about that, including humility and penitence too apparently.
doc1019 Why would a dash offend anybody? And a dash would prevent anybody from knowing G_d?
Genesis 6:8 makes it abundantly clear that to know the Lord starts with a penitent and obedient heart. He teaches us to love, and not to offend gratuitously. If someone takes askance what they regard as an irreverent use of vowels due to their lack on the scroll, it's no skin off my nose to respect that, nor is such prohibited anywhere in the Bible. Short speech on the other hand...
You are right. Yet, the amounts needed for a viable vegan sustained lifestyle, to even produce the amounts needed/consumed- don’t add up. Vegans are non-producers, and only live by the grace of protein producers. Are you really that inane? Vegans live by the bio-products of protein producers. Your great, great, great, great, great, great ancestors ate meat- so you could be here today. Most crop products were and are interchanged selection, between humans and stock.
“Carnitine is an unusual amino acid that is biosynthesized in the liver of humans and is found highest in muscle and organ meats in the human diet. {The most abundant source of carnitine is lamb.] Carnitine is not found in vegetable sources. In human metabolism, it is utilized as a material which transfers fatty acids across the membranes of the mitochondria where they can be used as a source of fuel to generate energy. In the absence of proper carnitine levels within the cell, the fatty acids are poorly metabolized and can build up within the cell or the surrounding medium, thereby leading to elevated fat and triglycerides and fatty acids.
Carnitine is manufactured in the body from the amino acids lysine and methionine but again not all levels adequate to meet the needs of all individuals, particularly if they are on a low lysine or methionine diet. The spermatozoa from lysine-depleted animals became infertile due to potential carnitine insufficiency. This is the first tissue to show deficiencies in the animals that have been deprived of carnitine or lysine.....There seems to be genetic limitations on the ability of some individuals to synthesize carnitine from lysine or methionine, and therefore in these individuals carnitine may be an essential nutrient.”
Jeffrey Bland, PhD
Octacosonal, Carnitine and Other “Accessory” Nutrients
You cited an article from the HUFFINGTON POST?! That explains it.
There’s a significant difference between vegan and vegetarian. From what I understand, a vegetarian diet can be quite healthy, but a vegan diet requires much supplementation
Cool. I like that, a lot.
Am I the only one who finds the connection between liberalism, veganism, and infertility rather interesting?
The NIH summarizes the current research on the topic, including the study referenced by Dr. Bowden. BTW, check his bio. Carnitine is not an essential nutrient. A vegan gets less carnitine than a red meat eater, but enough. I don't see Dr. Bland's reservations in the NIH summary. Neither of the two statements "Carnitine is a vital source of protein, and is only in red meat" are correct.
Kennard, forgive me, but you’re citing a government agency. I won’t bother with reading any “information” provided by any government website, but I would be happy to read any independent sources.
“The NIH summarizes the current research on the topic, including the study referenced by Dr. Bowden. BTW, check his bio. Carnitine is not an essential nutrient. A vegan gets less carnitine than a red meat eater, but enough. I don’t see Dr. Bland’s reservations in the NIH summary.”
So you cite a GOVERNMENT agency, and because Dr. Bowden is referenced and Dr. Bland is not...this means Dr. Bowden’s correct and Dr. Bland is not? Are you serious?
Speaking of bios, here’s Dr. Bland’s bio:
https://www.functionalmedicine.org/page.aspx?id=179
I’ve tried to find a bio on Dr. Bowden, but according to what I’m reading, he appears to be a “Health Guru”.
Dr. Bland has written over 120 peer-reviewed research papers on nutritional biochemistry and medicine. Apparently, Dr. Bowden has spent most of his time writting articles for pop. magazines and appearing on shows such as Dr. Oz.
If you could provide a link to a more detailed bio I would appreciate it. I just can’t find much worth noting.
Here is a more comprehensive bio for Dr. Bland:
http://www.jeffreybland.com/content/Dr_Jeffrey_Bland.aspx
Dr. Bowden’s bio featured on the Huffington Post provides the most information I can find in terms of his medical background. Not much there.
These topics are important to me, since I have not consumed animal products for fifteen years. There have been no ill effects: only positive ones.
Veganism is Darwinism in action.
Sorry, Kennard, even conservative vegans are dumb. A human baby, up to the age of four, will die if it is forced to subsist on a vegan diet.
That should tell you something.
So should the fact that meat eaters populate the higher proportionate brain-size mammals like cats, dolphins, and humans. Most vegans in mammalian terms, which don't really exist in the natural world because they get animal protein in the form of bugs, are large animals with smaller proportionate brains, like cattle, bulls, manatees (their brain is smaller than a cat's brain), etc.
Nutrition is chemistry. It's like gravity and math. There whether we like it or not. We don't get to decide how to eat best -- it's already been decided.
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