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Veganism "Can Cause Serious Harm" Say Swiss Authorities
Breitbart News ^ | 19 Sep 2014, 3:00 AM PDT | Oliver Lane

Posted on 09/19/2014 9:39:11 PM PDT by This Just In

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To: Kennard

I can appreciate the importance of the information, but your previous post which drew no distinction between L-Carnitine and Carnitine is incorrect.

In post #34 I noted the importance of Carnitine.


61 posted on 09/20/2014 1:45:17 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Finny; Kennard

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html


62 posted on 09/20/2014 1:46:57 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In
From the NIH article:

Carnitine occurs in two forms, known as D and L, that are mirror images (isomers) of each other. Only L-carnitine is active in the body and is the form found in food.

The relevant distinction, as I understand it, is that D-Carnatine is found in meat and is converted to L-Carnatine in the body, while lysine and methionine from vegetable sources are converted to L-Carnatine in the body.

Why is that distinction important?

63 posted on 09/20/2014 1:57:15 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: This Just In
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

I noted above that she should have been supplementing B12 in her own diet, which most all vegans do.

64 posted on 09/20/2014 2:00:55 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
L-Carnitine is found in two amino acids (proteins), methionine and lyseine, which are part of a balanced vegan diet, such as rice and beans or pasta and peas.

Kennard, wake up. Your leg is being pulled. Go hang out with some vegan families and look at their kids, the younger the closer. Unless those families are pumping supplements -- a nutty and wasteful approach to nutrition -- they will be afflicted with allergies, low energy, and listlessness.

Vegetarians, on the other hand, who eat animal protein in the form of dairy and eggs, get what they need in the animal protein dept. No, vegans are in a league of their own and they are fooling with Mother Nature when they insist on choosing their own "ethical" diet shunning animal protein.

65 posted on 09/20/2014 2:03:58 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: RedHeeler
Vegans are non-producers, and only live by the grace of protein producers. ... Vegans live by the bio-products of protein producers. Your great, great, great, great, great, great ancestors ate meat- so you could be here today. ...

YEP!!!

66 posted on 09/20/2014 2:06:39 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Kennard

As I had mentioned previously, Kennard, I disregard ALL information provided by any government agency.


67 posted on 09/20/2014 2:07:26 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In
Wow. Thanks for that link.

Any adult who subjects a child to a vegan diet is ... a monster, IMO.

68 posted on 09/20/2014 2:12:50 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: exDemMom

It’s a simple truth, demonstrable, but veganism is their religion, and heresy will not be tolerated.


69 posted on 09/20/2014 2:13:55 AM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Kennard
Kennard, with honest respect ... are you so very vain and arrogant that you think you can outsmart nature -- that would be, God -- in how to nourish your material body? Has it ever occurred to you to re-think your choice to be vegan? What would happen if, for the course of one year, you ate animal protein with at least every other meal?

Are you terrified to see what would happen if you did that?

70 posted on 09/20/2014 2:16:20 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I wouldn’t go so far as to label all vegan parents as monsters. I believe that some of them are convinced they’re doing the right thing, and are misinformed, or brainwashed, or both.

I especially feel sorry for these children.


71 posted on 09/20/2014 2:18:03 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Kennard
...supplementing B12 in her own diet, which most all vegans do.

Then what in hell is the rationale for being vegan? If you're crucially dependent on a man-made manufactured supplement, or laboratory produced which the body metabolizes differently -- how dumb is that?

*shaking head*

72 posted on 09/20/2014 2:22:17 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
A human baby, up to the age of four, will die if it is forced to subsist on a vegan diet.

If you count milk from a vegan mother as a vegan diet, then the child will thrive.

The "meat-eating makes big brains" theory has been discredited.

73 posted on 09/20/2014 2:24:35 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: This Just In
I wouldn’t go so far as to label all vegan parents as monsters.

From a distance, I don't.

It's when I see it up-close-and-personal that I do. It's child abuse inflicted in vanity, regardless of their noble intentions.

74 posted on 09/20/2014 2:25:42 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Kennard
Kennard, with your own non-meat-eating brain, list for me in a post the top ten large-brained vegan animals on planet earth.

Then list the top ten large-brained animals on planet earth.

You think you haven't been affected by your vegan diet. YOU HAVE.

75 posted on 09/20/2014 2:27:31 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
they will be afflicted with allergies, low energy, and listlessness

I am a fifteen-year vegan, in excellent health. My doctor tells me that I am in the top one percentile for general health and fitness. I did it for health, not ethical reasons. Twenty-five years ago,, my concern was my father's heart disease and colon cancer. I read Dr. Dean Ornish's books, who eventually convinced Bill Clinton to become a vegan. You can bet Clinton didn't do it for ethical reasons: he was looking out for number one. As my knowledge increased, I progressed through saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, sugar and caffeine reduction to lacto-ovo-vegetarian to lacto-vegetarian and eventually vegan. I've had a quarter century of being scoffed at.

76 posted on 09/20/2014 2:38:10 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Gene Eric

“Likely completely absent. Hello peripheral neuropathy.”

Followed by death.


77 posted on 09/20/2014 2:44:26 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Finny
Has it ever occurred to you to re-think your choice to be vegan?

That is why I am discussing and researching the topic of carnitine with another Freeper above. I constantly test my understanding. If I was to conclude that I should be eating meat, then I would do so. I have no ego tied up in this, just a desire to find the best solution. Nutritional science is changing more rapidly every year.

78 posted on 09/20/2014 2:44:43 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Finny
If you're crucially dependent on a man-made manufactured supplement, or laboratory produced which the body metabolizes differently

Natural, ground, flax seeds are a good source of B12. There is no need for an artificial product. I just find B12 tablets to be more convenient than grinding flax seeds.

79 posted on 09/20/2014 2:50:08 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: This Just In
Although some conservatives are vegans, most vegans are probably libs. So if a major health org. says that veganism is harmful to a person's health, isn't that science? And aren't libs, as they claim, the party of science? C'mon all you liberals....don't be anti-science. Give up your unhealthy and unscientific eating habits.
80 posted on 09/20/2014 2:56:45 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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