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1 posted on 09/21/2014 8:46:09 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Truer words were never spoken.


2 posted on 09/21/2014 8:48:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: WilliamIII

Bush’s fault.


3 posted on 09/21/2014 8:48:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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Yeah but ISIS didn’t exist under Bush’s rule either. So maybe the ISIS problem lies elsewhere.


4 posted on 09/21/2014 8:49:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Nor would it exist if Obama had not pulled us out of Iraq ad armed ISIS.

They existed fine under Hussein in alliance.


5 posted on 09/21/2014 8:50:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: WilliamIII; Nachum; GeronL
Maybe if people hadn't bought into the bullcrud that was spouted by Dead Red Ted Kennedy "Abu Ghraib has just reopened under new leadership" (with the same old policies of torture and murder in place), Fatass Million Dollar Marxist Michael Moore, and dopey dope Hunter S. Thompson (who called Abu Ghraib worse than the worst Nazi attrocities while writing for the "apolitical and fired Rush Limbaugh over it" Disney-ESPN), just MAYBE our troops wouldn't have been branded "Rapists", "War Criminals", "imperialists", etc.

CNN covered up torture and abuse under Saddam Hussein to maintain their Baghdad Bureau.

The Bush administration was already prosecuting those involved in the Abu Ghraib case when the MSM tried to use the news of it to oust Bush from office (in 2004's election). All it did was serve as agitprop to flood terrorists (much like the Islamic State recruits) into Iraq.

6 posted on 09/21/2014 8:51:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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Dear saif

Oh just shut up. For years your people sipped sweet mint tea and muttered darkly about how the US backed Saddam as a plot against Arabs

Now you’re whining about the lost opportunity your manly fighters lost when thousands of our brave troops died to remove him and give your society a clean shot at building a modern democracy.

Just. Shut up. You. Ungrateful. Sob.

Most sincerely


9 posted on 09/21/2014 8:52:51 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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It’s like saying the “Islamic State” wouldn’t exist under Assad’s rule.

Would be interesting to wargame out the Iraq invasion never happening.

How would Obama destabilizing Syria, Egypt and Libya have affected the ME with Hussein still in power? Assuming, of course, that he wouldn’t have also pranced around with Saddam too.


11 posted on 09/21/2014 8:55:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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And Saddam was going to live forever right. What happened in the Balkans after Tito would have been replicated ten fold by the pent up anger of Shiite and Sunni and Kurd.


12 posted on 09/21/2014 8:55:52 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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This is also what a friend of ours, a general in the Iraqi military says.


16 posted on 09/21/2014 8:59:25 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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Sorry, no more support for the Rockefeller clan using the US military for their personal war games and business ventures.

Afghanistan still makes 90% of the world’s heroin.

Every US President reports to those new world order people; Clinton, the Bush family, Obama.

New name, same job description.

Sign the orders your elite handlers tell you to.


17 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:04 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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Well....lol...

I doubt Saddam would still be running the show if we had not intervened.

Uday and Kusay..(sp) would likely be in charge..

So how does that change your predictions..??

20 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:56 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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Saddam was a Baathist Moose Limb who killed Sunni and Shia Moose Limbs in cold blood.

Sunnis are Moose Limbs who kill Shia and Baathist Moose Limbs in cold blood.

Shia are Moose Limbs who kill Sunni and Baathist Moose Limbs in cold blood.

What is the common denominator?

22 posted on 09/21/2014 9:10:10 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Key phrase from the linked posting:

The notion of democracy is foreign to the Arab world.
I'm too tired to bounce that one around tonight...but others are on that tack.
24 posted on 09/21/2014 9:11:29 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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Sadaam, The Mad Man of Tripoli and Mubarak kept peace in their part of the world.

I just can’t see what the advantage was in deposing them.

The results speak for themselves and I still can’t name the leader of any of these places


25 posted on 09/21/2014 9:12:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: WilliamIII
Here is Afghanistan in the 1950s-1960s:


26 posted on 09/21/2014 9:14:59 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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I grew up in Baghdad in a middle-class family. My father served in the Iraqi Air Force and often traveled internationally; my mother was a math teacher; my siblings all attended college. I graduated from the most prestigious high school in Baghdad before getting my degree at pharmacy school...sounds as though this guy and his family were part of the Iraqi elite under Saddam, probably not likely to have been among the tens of thousands he and his sons ran through the plastic shredders and rape rooms each year - he might have thought differently if he had been......
30 posted on 09/21/2014 9:20:39 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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I think Iran was modern and not radical muslim until Carter helped overthrow the Shaw.

This guy talks about how good it was in Iraq until Saddam invaded Kuwait. Saddam also used WOMD against the Kurds in Iraq. So it might have been good for some people, but not all. Saddam was Sunni.


33 posted on 09/21/2014 9:34:39 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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I don’t believe the mostly-Sunni ISIS would be bothering Sunni Saddam all that much, no.


36 posted on 09/21/2014 9:39:14 PM PDT by Bettyprob
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eh, Iraq was muslim under Saddam and Muslim under the IS. No difference between the two.

What went wrong with Bush’s Iraq plan was the notion that one can build a western style Democracy in Iraq after we won. We should’ve let the Iraqis to re-create their own political system and arranged we recieve a financial payout for freeing them of Saddam.


47 posted on 09/21/2014 10:10:04 PM PDT by RginTN
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It IS Bush’s fault.

It’s true that Obama threw every soldier who died freeing Iraq from Saddam in the garbage. He handed Iraq over to Al Qaeda (ISIS).

But Bush went into Iraq knowing Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and knowing that the SAUDIS ran 9/11. Bush did it because the Saudis wanted it, because the Bushes are as corrupt as Clinton and Obama, and were purchased years ago by the Saudis—as were Clinton and Obama.

Yes, Obama did the FINAL act of handing Iraq over to Al Qaeda (ISIS), but Bush toppled Saddam at the behest of the Saudis.

Let there be no nostalgia for the “patriotic” Bushes. They are no more patriotic than Clinton or Obama.


51 posted on 09/21/2014 10:39:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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