Posted on 12/05/2014 9:27:27 AM PST by wagglebee
Can't we expand the rationalization to "euthanize the suffering" to ending the blandly moronic hell of Democrats? Think of a Tim Robbins, Dennis Rodman, Babs Striesand, dimly aware of reality, told that they are "special" so often that they actually understand the word to mean something other than being allowed out without a crash helmet and boxing gloves?
It's our social duty to put them to sleep and end life unworthy of life.
On the other side, Lauren Hill is living every day to its fullest.
Totally agree...By no means am I judging anybody who considers it or does it. That’s their decision....this isn’t abortion we’re talking about.
Lauren Hill has signed up for hospice care.Which likely means mostly being quickly drugged into a painless stupor and dying sooner .I say this having seen several people receive “hospice care”.I believe the dying should receive all the care possible with being kept clean and comfortable,and importantly being comforted and upheld in the faith of God.Pain should be alleviated to the extent possible but drugs should NOT be administered in amounts that cause the body to shut down.I lost a good friend many years ago when large amounts of morphine eased his pain by causing respiration to cease.
These people have the same mindset as a former neighbor on seeing my dog accidentally run over; he IMMEDIATELY wanted to kill the dog because it was in pain.Instead I carried the injuried animal to a comfortable place in the hay,fed him plain old aspirin for the pain(NEVER give dog Tylenol)and saw to it he had food and water.Bo recovered although he had a stiff leg the rest of his years.
I truly see hospice care AS I HAVE SEEN IT PRACTICED,as being more concerned with preventing people from dealing with suffering.Suffering makes us uncomfortable.We don’t like to see suffering. Some pretend it doesn’t exist. SOME WILL KILL YOU SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR SUFFERING.
When those black-robed evil old men who vainly consider themselves “Supreme Justices” gave their approval to the murder of America’s babies I remarked “they will kill the old and the sick next”.
Many times in hospice the patient is starved to death at some point. In some cases, the patient has requested that no extraordinary means be used to keep them alive, so this is interpreted as meaning as no food, and sometimes, no liquids.
I wonder what she’s doing now? I wonder if her suicide was all she expected it to be?
Ah, but once society sees disability and loss of “dignity” as the reason to kill folks, you are way down the slippery slope to killing the disabled, the retarded, and the elderly, not to mention disabled babies or children.
That will save Obamacare lots of money.
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
And don't tell me stuff like “Modern medicine allows disabled or elderly people to live too long”. Plato said the same thing in 400 BCE, and this was the main reason for Hitler's doctors willing to help people to die if they were imperfect.
As for suffering: Cultures like ancient Stoicism and Japanese samurai culture that see suicide as better than loss of dignity sound nice, but remember: Those ideas were only followed by a tiny minority, and ordinary folks in these societies had few rights, and the big shots could kill them if they were troublesome.
If there is a God, then everything that happens happens for a reason. This is not just a Christian idea: I have worked with both Amerindians and Africans who were not Christian and believed the same thing.
And the lessons of suffering in dignity, and the idea that family should care for their weaker family members, is a lesson American society needs. Pope Francis calls the west the “throwaway” society for a good reason.
So how do you know what God has a problem with? Do you have a special line to Him? You sound like a nutcase.
“So how do you know what God has a problem with?”
Can you think of a single major religion which officially approves of suicide? Even the official teachings of Islam does not actually approve of suicide. Also, what makes you think that the God who gives life wants us to take our own lives.
“Do you have a special line to Him?”
Would it matter if I did or not? Are you honestly saying that universal truths depend of a human person and not God?
“You sound like a nutcase.”
So almost every person whoever lived in the Western world and in much of the rest of the world from about 1600 years ago until a few decades ago was a nutcase? It was universally held in the West that suicide was wrong. You do that realize don’t you? So, it is you who is out of step with what has been taught for centuries and centuries not me. And I don’t care one bit if I am out of step with the decadent world of 2014. I would rather believe in a moral standard that is lasting than go whichever way the wind blows.
“Yes, suicide was a criminal offense, mainly because life and death was the prerogative of your master, the King.”
Completely false. Suicide was MORALLY wrong and that was REFLECTED in the civil and criminal laws. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the “prerogative of your master, the King” if you mean an earthly king.
“However, that led to some strange things. One man tried to commit suicide by cutting his own throat. He failed and was condemned to death!”:
Yeah, I’m the one around here who tells that story. That is because in England it was illegal to commit suicide - stemming from the Christian culture of the land. They had to pull him down after the first hanging and let the stitches heal before they tried again.
“Even stranger, they failed to kill him by hanging because he was breathing through the cut in his windpipe — so they bandaged his neck so as to complete the job.”
I know. I’m the first person who ever told that story here at FR.
“Now, why should the government decide his manner of death rather than that person himself?”
Because the individual has no right to self murder. The state, however, has the right to execute for crimes.
Not Moon River. The River Styx.
“Now, why should the government decide his manner of death rather than that person himself?” Because the individual has no right to self murder. The state, however, has the right to execute for crimes.
-- That is strange little world you live in, vlad.
“Nonsense. It was wrong because it took away one of the Lord of the Manor’s vassals who was needed to work the fields.”
That would mean - if that is your thesis - that there was no universal condemnation of suicide among Christians in the Western world before the 8th or 9th century at the very earliest (because that’s when feudalism really started). I have a PhD in Medieval History. This is what I do. And you’re completely wrong and your claim is ridiculous. Jews considered suicide to be an evil act. So did Christians. It was, if you remember, the final act of Judas Iscariot. It was connected to the activities of heretics like the Donatists. Thus, what you said is patently false. Suicide was already a criminal act according to Roman Law BEFORE the age of feudalism.
“— That is strange little world you live in, vlad.”
No, it’s simply the world as it was for orthodox Christians for 2,000 years.
Thanks for the ping!
Who is Lauren HIll?
Thank you for your response - I’ll look her up.
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