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1 posted on 12/27/2014 10:31:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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This is good.

If they can’t plant illegals into red states and get them the right to vote there then they become a burden to the blue states where they will have to settle.

They will suck the welfare teat dry in those blue states while failing to matter in national elections.

This action along with certain red states ending the winner-take-all electoral vote contests would make it tough for dems in national elections. No more electoral windfalls in some states due to vote fraud in large demo cities.


2 posted on 12/27/2014 10:40:10 AM PST by Bobalu (Please excuse the crudity of this model. I didn't have time to build it to scale or paint it.)
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The judiciary has consistently ruled against the nullification doctrine, asserting its unique, judicial right to declare laws unconstitutional. But this executive order isn’t a law.
3 posted on 12/27/2014 10:53:31 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump


4 posted on 12/27/2014 10:59:04 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Tennessee Nana; GOPJ; Jane Long; SgtBob; Grampa Dave; justiceseeker93; notted; no-to-illegals; ...
OBAMA CALCULATEDLY SKIRTED THE LAW AND SIGNED TWO "MEMOS" TO LAUNCH AMNESTY: Nullification means power to the states and power to the people.

ACTION NOW: Write your governor; call your state attorney general.

The judiciary has consistently ruled against the nullification doctrine, asserting its unique, judicial right to declare laws unconstitutional.

But this executive order isn’t a law. And given its extremely shaky legal footing, it isn’t difficult to imagine a federal bench recognizing the states’ right to disregard federal orders that don’t clearly have the force of law.

And that would be a tremendous — tremendous — blow against the executive’s assumption of legislative powers.

But in the shorter, directer term: It would force the Obama administration to go on offense, suing the states to enforce a law that isn’t a law. And I don’t think that case can be made.

5 posted on 12/27/2014 11:00:40 AM PST by Liz (Pres Reagan on govt shutdown: "Let's close it down and see if anyone notices.")
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Get a group of states that want the federal immigration laws, as written, enforced. Have them approach Congress for permission to form an Immigration Exchange Compact in which Congress gives participating states the executive authority to enforce Congress's Constitutional powers thereon in place of the (abdicated) Federal Executive branch.

I don't see where Obama would get a direct vote in the matter, although he might try fighting it in the courts. Seeing as state participation was voluntary and as those states are arguing for enforcing the law instead of ignoring it we ought to be able to, at worst, run a lot of Obama's clock. Meanwhile the selection pressure of following Obama's 'law' will be felt in the bluer non-compact states, while the compact states are protected from much of its corrupting effects.

Alas the hard part will be getting it past the Congressional leadership, but history records other successful bipartisan immigration revolts against them.

6 posted on 12/27/2014 11:05:00 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change)
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"If a state determines that a law exceeds the terms of the compact to which it agreed, it has the right to nullify that law within its own borders."

So if a Southern state determined that the Civil Rights Act exceeded federal authority, it could continue to discriminate.

How well did that work for Governor Wallace?

8 posted on 12/27/2014 11:11:33 AM PST by offwhite
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"And given its extremely shaky legal footing, it isn’t difficult to imagine a federal bench recognizing the states’ right to disregard federal orders that don’t clearly have the force of law"

As a matter of fact Josh, it is quite difficult to imagine. I can't imagine any federal bench ruling against consolidation of the central power. It is what they do.

10 posted on 12/27/2014 11:18:41 AM PST by SKI NOW
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this would be so fine.


12 posted on 12/27/2014 11:40:24 AM PST by SteveH
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OK, someone build a structure for this and we`ll back it up, and before someone says you do it, I`m as IT capable as a rotary dial phone so forget it.

Names and addresses to call, mail, email, and maybe a list of contacts in conservative radio and other personalities that can push this.

What about contacting Rush, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, hell, even that whiny self absorbed blow hard, Glenn Beck? If enough people get behind this it may work.

13 posted on 12/27/2014 11:41:42 AM PST by nomad
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"The judiciary has consistently ruled against the nullification doctrine, asserting its unique, judicial right to declare laws unconstitutional."

Note tagline.

15 posted on 12/27/2014 11:46:02 AM PST by Savage Beast (The U.S. Judiciary is part of the Praetorian Guard.)
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Nullification just isn’t good enough. It has no force of law, it can be voided at the next state-wide elections and it’s a challenge to the feds to break it by force. What state is willing to enforce a nullification order against, say, the 1st Infantry Division?

How about we stick to what’s actually written in the Constitution and work toward an Article V convention instead of wasting time and effort on the nullification pipe dream?


17 posted on 12/27/2014 12:05:17 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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For later read.


18 posted on 12/27/2014 12:05:21 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama, McConnell, Boehner and Islam - the first step into a thousand years of darkness.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The federal gov’t rules that States must provide education and healthcare to illegals, then the States have to come up with the money to pay for it. Oh yea, the federal gov’t might kick in a few dollars to pay for the healthcare, but they shouldn’t be able to tax a State’s citizens to pay for anything that the constitution didn’t provide for, like the military.

So to provide education to the illegals, the citizens have to pay taxes to the federal gov’t, then pay State income, sales and property taxes to pay for education, and take out bonds putting them in enormous debt; and what they get is a third-rate education for their own children.

The States that didn’t partake in the Medicaid expansion because it would hurt their budget; their citizens still have to pay federal taxes that are going to help the States that did. And when it goes broke they will have to raise taxes and take out more debt. Hospitals close(if they can’t raise taxes and take out bonds) because they have to take care of illegals and the federal gov’t doesn’t pay them enough (with taxpayer’s money)so the local citizens can’t make it to an emergency room in time.


19 posted on 12/27/2014 1:40:34 PM PST by Rusty0604
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Session = Ultimate State’s Nullification Option


21 posted on 12/27/2014 1:56:59 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Write your governor; call your attorney general.

My governor can't read anything that doesn't use word bubbles and my attorney general is a Communist. But that won't stop me from trying.

23 posted on 12/27/2014 2:05:59 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States’ power to propose and ratify amendments poses less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy whose self-published rules carry the weight of law.

The first order of business of an Article V Convention must be to limit government’s ability to create and spend near-infinite amounts of money.


24 posted on 12/27/2014 2:13:02 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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So how could Kentucky and Virginia declare the Alien & Sedition acts Null and Void if it had been passed by Congress?
Might have a better chance with the immigration business because that is just a memoranda sent by Jeh Johnson


45 posted on 12/28/2014 3:21:37 AM PST by ballplayer
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