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I believe that this pretty well sums it up. Comments please.
1 posted on 01/07/2015 7:18:00 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Desron13

very well put indeed.

islam is islam

the other names its tagged with dont change the core issues


2 posted on 01/07/2015 7:19:23 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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Except for when there is a “good Nazi”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe


3 posted on 01/07/2015 7:19:37 PM PST by vladimir998
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No matter what you do for or to a muslim, at the end of the day, you are still the infidel (or Jew) and the muslim will still hate you. There are no moderate muslims.


4 posted on 01/07/2015 7:24:00 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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i don’t get it. nazis were good. dey told me soo in pubic skool.


8 posted on 01/07/2015 7:39:42 PM PST by Colehill1999 ( Obama always gets a five finger discount at the greensboro woolworths counter.)
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Expanding and refining the question.
Can we defend a WWII Nazi who was informed, aware, active and abetting Nazi programs and policies as long as the Nazi was not a member of the Waffen SS or an Einsatzgruppen?
Would not a mythical ‘Moderate’ Moslem merit the same treatment?
Good thread.
TWB
9 posted on 01/07/2015 7:40:40 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin, the Flame of the North)
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Nazi and muslim


11 posted on 01/07/2015 7:43:37 PM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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Who said this? "Destroy your enemies ability to make war."
16 posted on 01/07/2015 8:15:14 PM PST by Desron13
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I have met people in foreign countries that were Muslims but were not observant. The women didn’t wear scarves, didn’t go to the Mosque, etc.

Just as there are many, many Jews in the NYC area that are “cultural Jews” but don’t keep the Torah or attend synagogue. They are in fact “Jewish atheists”. Most of them voted for Hillary.

And there are many “Christians” that have morphed their practices and beliefs into something that would be completely bewildering to Jesus, mostly in order to attract more congregational members.

So I would say it is possible to be a “moderate Muslim” but only because they don’t faithfully follow the teachings and leanings of Islam, much like the above-mentioned Jews and Christians.

The bigger problem is, with several billion of them worldwide, if only 1 percent were true Muslims, who don’t ever separate their religion and politics, and they truly pursue Jihad as written, then we have a major disaster that is unlikely to be resolved without generations of suffering and bloodshed.


19 posted on 01/07/2015 8:21:44 PM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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That about sums it up. It's a mass movement disguised as a religion. Mass movements are interchangeable, as anyone who has read Eric Hoffer (which excludes just about anyone who works at our pathetic State Department) can tell you.

The only peace in that peaceful religion is the peace of a mass grave.

26 posted on 01/07/2015 8:28:10 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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I heard the disgusting Imam Anjem Choudary on cable tonight. He was essentially justifying the killing today, said that the supreme law should be Sharia law, and that the rest of us can live in peace with Muslims, as long as we live under Sharia. What he is saying is not an uncommon view among Muslims, as we've seen.

On CNN, almost simultaneously, they were having a three-way conversation with some academic, a muslim woman, and the host, about how ‘this is not about Islam vs other religions. It is about radical vs moderate’. When I heard this, juxtaposed with the tragic events of today and with what Choudary had just said, I could hardly believe these people can continue to be so delusional.

Their delusional PC pseudo-intellectual world view is highly dangerous, and very misguided. They were saying that radical Islam only gets a foothold because the people in the Muslim communities are ‘dispossessed’, and that if we don't make them feel wanted by society, they will be prime targets for radicalization. They actually tried characterize this as a socioeconomic problem. That is truly delusional, even if it does somehow coincide with what they learned in their sociology classes.

This guy, Choudary, is educated (a lawyer in Britain). He isn't radical because he's dispossessed, or because he's at the socioeconomic fringe. The fervent Nazis of last century weren't just dispossessed, socioeconomically disadvantaged ‘throw away’ people of German society either. Violent and evil ideology exists in the world, and trying fit the world into a tiny little PC box won't change reality, and won't keep the world safe.

27 posted on 01/07/2015 8:30:02 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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The Nazi party was a top-down organization, in which (at least in theory), everyone's orders eventually traced back to the will of one man.

Islam is the opposite; it's very, very fractured. There's no "Islamic Führer" or even an "Islamic Pope". (However, the Saudis are trying very hard to bring the whole Sunni world under a very strict, Wahhabist rule. Iran is doing something similar with the Shiite sect.)

That's why there are Muslims who think that ISIS is awesome, and other Muslims who think they're scum, and other Muslims who are dead now because ISIS killed them. (The Kurds, who are doing most of the fighting against ISIS, are Sunni Muslims themselves, just not the same kind of Sunni Muslim that ISIS is.)

29 posted on 01/07/2015 8:34:40 PM PST by Campion
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Good way of stating things. It is time we quit treating Islam as a religion to be protected and respected. It is not and it deserves universal renouncing.


32 posted on 01/07/2015 8:37:58 PM PST by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one.)
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I’m a Muslim, but not a radical muslim.

Equates to:

I’m a nazi, but I don’t put jews in ovens.


42 posted on 01/07/2015 9:19:14 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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All muslims support terrorism in one way or another. They support it financially, morally and culturally. Directly and indirectly.


49 posted on 01/08/2015 12:42:15 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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I’m getting to where I believe the only good mooselimb is a dead mooselimb.


50 posted on 01/08/2015 2:13:28 AM PST by Joe Boucher (The F.B.I. Is a division of holders Justice Dept. (Nuff said))
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Brilliant. Accurate. Timely.


51 posted on 01/08/2015 4:19:01 AM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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Bingo.


55 posted on 01/08/2015 7:22:26 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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